Commuting Internationally
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Any legacy pilots commuting from/to Asia?
Luckily, you can commute via non rev or hichhiking on cargo flts thesedays,
But How do you manage your pbs bidding to make your life and commute the most effectively?
Of course, a decent seniority has to come in to play a little bit.
Luckily, you can commute via non rev or hichhiking on cargo flts thesedays,
But How do you manage your pbs bidding to make your life and commute the most effectively?
Of course, a decent seniority has to come in to play a little bit.
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Any legacy pilots commuting from/to Asia?
Luckily, you can commute via non rev or hichhiking on cargo flts thesedays,
But How do you manage your pbs bidding to make your life and commute the most effectively?
Of course, a decent seniority has to come in to play a little bit.
Luckily, you can commute via non rev or hichhiking on cargo flts thesedays,
But How do you manage your pbs bidding to make your life and commute the most effectively?
Of course, a decent seniority has to come in to play a little bit.
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If safety is your concern there are numerous nice places in the US, big and small, to fit the bill. You don't need to do an international commute for that (might be other reasons).
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Not to be crass, but.......
1) Commuting is a "choice", I did it just over 20 years
2) In 25 years, airlines have gone from minimal, if any commuter policies to actually pretty decent ones, but......
Why would an international commute policy be different than a domestic one? It's STILL a "choice".
1) Commuting is a "choice", I did it just over 20 years
2) In 25 years, airlines have gone from minimal, if any commuter policies to actually pretty decent ones, but......
Why would an international commute policy be different than a domestic one? It's STILL a "choice".
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I commuted from Germany to a major western US hub for 2 years. German wife wanted to try it out after living in the USA so I went with it. I was quite senior and able to fine tune my schedule almost any way I wanted. Also had flight bennies on multiple airlines plus almost unlimited ZEDs. Takeaways:
1) Much easier if you live in a gateway. I did not and the commute after landing in Europe was up to an extra 3-6 hours as a result. If I did it again i'd live close to FRA, CDG, AMS, LHR, maybe MUC and thats about it. The rest dont have enough frequency for me.
2) I always spent 3ish days recovering from time change at home. Even though I bid early morning work, my body knew the difference when I shut the drapes at 5pm with the sun shining bright and lay awake for hours without being able to sleep. No real solution I found over two years to get decent sleep.
3) I spent an average of around $300 on taxes and fees. Sometimes more for a ZED and train tickets. No matter how you commute out of Europe, I dont know of a way to avoid the taxes. Brittain is horribly expensive, Germany not so much less. Add the other fees in and I had a significant addition cost to my monthy budgets.
4) I was more physically affected than I expected. I got biz class about half to 2/3 of the time and still there was an effect. But sitting in the back middle seat from SFO to FRA for 11 hours over and over again has its effects on your back, neck, ass, and other things I wont go into here. No way around this one either.
After two years my wife assessed and decided she's prefer a healthy husband to a zombie and we moved back. I wouldn't do it again unless I was working one 4-7 day trip per month and no more. It'll have to wait until I retire at which time I'll likely expat and leave forever. If I cant wait that long I'll retire early and escape the great USA. Hope that helped.
1) Much easier if you live in a gateway. I did not and the commute after landing in Europe was up to an extra 3-6 hours as a result. If I did it again i'd live close to FRA, CDG, AMS, LHR, maybe MUC and thats about it. The rest dont have enough frequency for me.
2) I always spent 3ish days recovering from time change at home. Even though I bid early morning work, my body knew the difference when I shut the drapes at 5pm with the sun shining bright and lay awake for hours without being able to sleep. No real solution I found over two years to get decent sleep.
3) I spent an average of around $300 on taxes and fees. Sometimes more for a ZED and train tickets. No matter how you commute out of Europe, I dont know of a way to avoid the taxes. Brittain is horribly expensive, Germany not so much less. Add the other fees in and I had a significant addition cost to my monthy budgets.
4) I was more physically affected than I expected. I got biz class about half to 2/3 of the time and still there was an effect. But sitting in the back middle seat from SFO to FRA for 11 hours over and over again has its effects on your back, neck, ass, and other things I wont go into here. No way around this one either.
After two years my wife assessed and decided she's prefer a healthy husband to a zombie and we moved back. I wouldn't do it again unless I was working one 4-7 day trip per month and no more. It'll have to wait until I retire at which time I'll likely expat and leave forever. If I cant wait that long I'll retire early and escape the great USA. Hope that helped.
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I commuted from Germany to a major western US hub for 2 years. German wife wanted to try it out after living in the USA so I went with it. I was quite senior and able to fine tune my schedule almost any way I wanted. Also had flight bennies on multiple airlines plus almost unlimited ZEDs. Takeaways:
1) Much easier if you live in a gateway. I did not and the commute after landing in Europe was up to an extra 3-6 hours as a result. If I did it again i'd live close to FRA, CDG, AMS, LHR, maybe MUC and thats about it. The rest dont have enough frequency for me.
2) I always spent 3ish days recovering from time change at home. Even though I bid early morning work, my body knew the difference when I shut the drapes at 5pm with the sun shining bright and lay awake for hours without being able to sleep. No real solution I found over two years to get decent sleep.
3) I spent an average of around $300 on taxes and fees. Sometimes more for a ZED and train tickets. No matter how you commute out of Europe, I dont know of a way to avoid the taxes. Brittain is horribly expensive, Germany not so much less. Add the other fees in and I had a significant addition cost to my monthy budgets.
4) I was more physically affected than I expected. I got biz class about half to 2/3 of the time and still there was an effect. But sitting in the back middle seat from SFO to FRA for 11 hours over and over again has its effects on your back, neck, ass, and other things I wont go into here. No way around this one either.
After two years my wife assessed and decided she's prefer a healthy husband to a zombie and we moved back. I wouldn't do it again unless I was working one 4-7 day trip per month and no more. It'll have to wait until I retire at which time I'll likely expat and leave forever. If I cant wait that long I'll retire early and escape the great USA. Hope that helped.
1) Much easier if you live in a gateway. I did not and the commute after landing in Europe was up to an extra 3-6 hours as a result. If I did it again i'd live close to FRA, CDG, AMS, LHR, maybe MUC and thats about it. The rest dont have enough frequency for me.
2) I always spent 3ish days recovering from time change at home. Even though I bid early morning work, my body knew the difference when I shut the drapes at 5pm with the sun shining bright and lay awake for hours without being able to sleep. No real solution I found over two years to get decent sleep.
3) I spent an average of around $300 on taxes and fees. Sometimes more for a ZED and train tickets. No matter how you commute out of Europe, I dont know of a way to avoid the taxes. Brittain is horribly expensive, Germany not so much less. Add the other fees in and I had a significant addition cost to my monthy budgets.
4) I was more physically affected than I expected. I got biz class about half to 2/3 of the time and still there was an effect. But sitting in the back middle seat from SFO to FRA for 11 hours over and over again has its effects on your back, neck, ass, and other things I wont go into here. No way around this one either.
After two years my wife assessed and decided she's prefer a healthy husband to a zombie and we moved back. I wouldn't do it again unless I was working one 4-7 day trip per month and no more. It'll have to wait until I retire at which time I'll likely expat and leave forever. If I cant wait that long I'll retire early and escape the great USA. Hope that helped.
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I dont see any Asian region where only 3 time zones away even from the westcoast.
or Am I just dumb?
Enlighten me please.
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