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WHACKMASTER 01-09-2025 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3867860)
That's a lot of vacations you paid Biden to go on!

Think of how many scoops of ice cream that bought him.

WHACKMASTER 01-09-2025 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3867960)
Unless you made 2 mil. you didn't pay 227K in taxes. A 450K income is about 90K in tax obligation.

I made 700K and paid 263K in taxes. Do I need to post my last paystub to prove it? 🙄

WHACKMASTER 01-09-2025 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3868626)
So its the who has a biggest D(**&& cllub post again

8000K 50 block hrs,

Nice deflection after getting called out, Ace.

SoFloFlyer 01-09-2025 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by checkgear (Post 3869116)
I’m close to MCO, property tax is $8.8k and insurance is $3.5k.

I’m a little jealous haha…

I had to turn a 12 min drive into a 35 min drive to MCO to make it happen 😅 Insurance seems to go up every year so let’s see what they come up with for next year’s premium 😩

Mozam 01-11-2025 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3866982)
I rode his jumpseat years ago. He is checked out/burnt out. Missed half the radio calls (FO’s leg).



I am giving 1000 to 1 odds that he will be calling in sick for his next trip after having no problems flying for double time feel free to parlay the 1000 into his turn after the 4 day he calls in sick for


How Dallas harasses pilots who call in sick is beyond me. I guess when you pick up during the picks you are a golden child .

e6bpilot 01-11-2025 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by Mozam (Post 3869784)
I am giving 1000 to 1 odds that he will be calling in sick for his next trip after having no problems flying for double time feel free to parlay the 1000 into his turn after the 4 day he calls in sick for


How Dallas harasses pilots who call in sick is beyond me. I guess when you pick up during the picks you are a golden child .

I took a look at the schedule of one of our heroes complaining on FB today about accidentally picking up a reserve block when he bid premium on other trips.
Dude calls in sick for a day on about half of his blocks, I am assuming once he is number one on the list. Total shady move.
I am all for creative use of sick time, but not at the expense of other pilots. That's a total d!ck move. Just call in sick for a regular trip like a freaking man.
But yeah, the company has zero room to harass anyone about sick usage while these dudes are around and tolerated.

mulcher 01-11-2025 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3869825)
I took a look at the schedule of one of our heroes complaining on FB today about accidentally picking up a reserve block when he bid premium on other trips.
Dude calls in sick for a day on about half of his blocks, I am assuming once he is number one on the list. Total shady move.
I am all for creative use of sick time, but not at the expense of other pilots. That's a total d!ck move. Just call in sick for a regular trip like a freaking man.
But yeah, the company has zero room to harass anyone about sick usage while these dudes are around and tolerated.

He retires end of this year. I don’t think he GAS. I know I wouldn’t!

e6bpilot 01-11-2025 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3869877)
He retires end of this year. I don’t think he GAS. I know I wouldn’t!

Eh...screwing your buddies is never cool.

flensr 01-11-2025 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3869825)
I took a look at the schedule of one of our heroes complaining on FB today about accidentally picking up a reserve block when he bid premium on other trips.

Oh I was wondering what the story behind the meme was. I missed the original post that triggered it. Comedy gold.

Mozam 01-11-2025 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by mulcher (Post 3869877)
He retires end of this year. I don’t think he GAS. I know I wouldn’t!



We must be talking about different guys. I know you would not pick up at a base while they are out picketing. That is about as low as a person can go . You are correct, he does not gas.

Profane Kahuna 01-12-2025 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3868861)
And some states you think would be cheaper, aren't.

Move from VA to NJ.
My property tax, on my house went up. That's it. Everything else went down.

Income tax, effective rate lower (not by much, but 5.6% vs 5.85%)
Property tax on the house, about double as a percentage. ($6k on a house that I sold for $600k, NJ $20k on a $1.1M house)
Not paying $10,000 in taxes on vehicles I already paid tax on when I bought them. City of VA Beach was getting $5000 for my pickup, $2800 for my wife's Expedition, $1100 for my airport beater (25 year old pickup), $1500 for my camper, $300 for one motorcycle, $400 for another motorcyle.

I'm actually paying about $1145 a year less in taxes, in total here in NJ. But I have a much larger, much nicer house, on 9 acres vs my 1400sqft 3/2 brick ranch on 1/4 acre.

If I had gotten a comparable house, it would have been far cheaper.

And yeah, TX really gets you on property taxes. I've had more than a few friends/relative go there, buy something, then start freaking out because the ISD, MUD and other taxes go up as neighborhoods get built out.



That sounds like your property tax is around 2%?


Isn't that pretty high?


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PineappleXpres 01-12-2025 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3869913)
That sounds like your property tax is around 2%?


Isn't that pretty high?


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El Paso is 3% so it depends when you live. key is to live in a no income state and live in Dump to beat Uncle Sam. If that’s what this discussion is about. Or be in the zero tax bracket, “tres comas” club

CX500T 01-12-2025 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3869913)
That sounds like your property tax is around 2%?


Isn't that pretty high?


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Some places in texas are 4ish

In Virginia it was around 1, but you also paid annual property tax on cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, rvs, trailers, office equipment etc. So my property tax in VA ended up around 2.6% of my homes value per year, but it was on house, cars, motorcycles, etc. And the fanciest thing I own is my wife's Expedition. It's an XLT with leather seats. Not even a lariat, so it's not like I was *****in about taxes on a Land Rover or a Mercedes.

My pickup, granted it's a large F-450 Diesel Dually. I paid.$67k under Ford X-plan. 73k sticker. $5000 a year in personal property tax. Cloth seats. No carpet. Only options were towing related.

Im paying about $4k a year more in total prop tax in NJ, but went from a 1450sqft 3/2 on a 1/4 acre lot to 6200sqft on 3 acres with a 6 acre conservation lot between me and the pond.

NJ does not tax vehicles after sale.

Profane Kahuna 01-12-2025 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3869931)
Some places in texas are 4ish


hmmmm..... not sure where you are getting your numbers. But I agree with you virginia is a communist state when it comes to taxes, fees, registrations, etc.


Property taxes vary by county in Texas but the average is 1.6%.


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CX500T 01-12-2025 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3869951)
hmmmm..... not sure where you are getting your numbers. But I agree with you virginia is a communist state when it comes to taxes, fees, registrations, etc.


Property taxes vary by county in Texas but the average is 1.6%.


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My brother in law lives in a north suburb of Dallas. He's pushing $40k in tax on a 950k house, once MUD, ISD and all other taxes are included.

PineappleXpres 01-12-2025 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3869964)
My brother in law lives in a north suburb of Dallas. He's pushing $40k in tax on a 950k house, once MUD, ISD and all other taxes are included.

Yep. Austin Houston and Dallas are all north of 2% and then there are other taxes levied depending on what part of town. And if the point of Texas is a McMansion then you’ll be paying.

Profane Kahuna 01-12-2025 08:46 AM

Texas average property tax is 1.6%


Tax foundation state map



But, yeah..... you're right it sucks. Don't move here, especially if you are senior to me!


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CX500T 01-12-2025 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3869978)
Texas average property tax is 1.6%


Tax foundation state map



But, yeah..... you're right it sucks. Don't move here, especially if you are senior to me!


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Show that on a county by county average. Because there's a whole lot of rural counties with low rates, but they aren't where the majority of airline pilots are going to live.

My tax rate is about 1.75% of my houses appraised value. But that's school, fire, county, local, every tax that is paid to the township/county/state other than income / sales taxes.

When I owned a house in Corpus Christi it was north of 2.5% with MUD and ISD taxes and I didn't live in a fancy part of town.

jerryleber 01-12-2025 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3868846)
My thoughts exactly. They get you one way or another.

State by state tax burden including income, property, sales & excise taxes.


https://www.voronoiapp.com/_next/ima...p&w=1920&q=100

OOfff 01-12-2025 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3870032)
State by state tax burden including income, property, sales & excise taxes.


https://www.voronoiapp.com/_next/ima...p&w=1920&q=100

how does this chart notmalize for progressive income taxes? Or how someone with a high property tax relative to income might change this?


it’s rather impossible to make a comparison from california to other states in terms of property tax because of the distortion caused by prop 13. you have $5m homes with property taxes lower than $300k starter homes.

Profane Kahuna 01-12-2025 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3869995)
Show that on a county by county average. Because there's a whole lot of rural counties with low rates, but they aren't where the majority of airline pilots are going to live.

My tax rate is about 1.75% of my houses appraised value. But that's school, fire, county, local, every tax that is paid to the township/county/state other than income / sales taxes.

When I owned a house in Corpus Christi it was north of 2.5% with MUD and ISD taxes and I didn't live in a fancy part of town.


You can contact tax foundation for more detailed breakdown than what they provided in that article, but you're right, Texas is terrible nobody else move here (especially those senior to me) !

I just looked at my recent total property tax bill and it's effectively 1% when you include everything.

The new(ish) laws and homestead increases helped knock them back down in recent years.


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OpieTaylor 01-12-2025 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870046)
how does this chart notmalize for progressive income taxes? Or how someone with a high property tax relative to income might change this?


it’s rather impossible to make a comparison from california to other states in terms of property tax because of the distortion caused by prop 13. you have $5m homes with property taxes lower than $300k starter homes.

Plenty of other states have the same law as prop 13 they just don’t have real estate equity growth like California.

flensr 01-12-2025 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870046)
how does this chart notmalize for progressive income taxes? Or how someone with a high property tax relative to income might change this?


it’s rather impossible to make a comparison from california to other states in terms of property tax because of the distortion caused by prop 13. you have $5m homes with property taxes lower than $300k starter homes.

Yea the CA number should have an asterisk because a relative newcomer to the state who came in with enough money to buy a nice SoCal house is likely paying double the number they are showing.

ThumbsUp 01-12-2025 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870046)

it’s rather impossible to make a comparison from california to other states in terms of property tax because of the distortion caused by prop 13. you have $5m homes with property taxes lower than $300k starter homes.

That's true in a lot of states, not just CA.

OOfff 01-12-2025 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3870126)
That's true in a lot of states, not just CA.

oh definitely, i’m just not familiar with anywhere else

OOfff 01-12-2025 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by flensr (Post 3870122)
Yea the CA number should have an asterisk because a relative newcomer to the state who came in with enough money to buy a nice SoCal house is likely paying double the number they are showing.

i tried to find the methodology but couldn’t. there’s no link to actual data from the tax policy center they claim it’s based on. if they’re just taking home price * tax rate the numbers make zero sense.

11atsomto 01-12-2025 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3868861)
And some states you think would be cheaper, aren't.

Move from VA to NJ.


Income tax, effective rate lower (not by much, but 5.6% vs 5.85%)

What year was this? As New Jersey is not below 6% unless your IGA'd <$75,000.

Its nice when some states and municipalities don't raises taxes unabated as they do in the Northeast......but don't get to comfortable in Florida or Tennessee.........we humans we recreate what we flee......its in our nature no matter how irrational. (See don't make here there)

CX500T 01-12-2025 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by 11atsomto (Post 3870200)
What year was this? As New Jersey is not below 6% unless your IGA'd <$75,000.

Its nice when some states and municipalities don't raises taxes unabated as they do in the Northeast......but don't get to comfortable in Florida or Tennessee.........we humans we recreate what we flee......its in our nature no matter how irrational. (See don't make here there)

This year. 6.37 is the top marginal rate I pay, with less on the first $150k.

Effective tax rate is under 6.

Don't confused top marginal with Effective.

Married, no kids. Own house. Some disabled veteran exemptions.

Just did my full incom, no writeoffs. Off the NJ.gov form, works to 5.5%

Off form NJ-1040
Table B Married Couple
For line 41 taxable income 150-500k,
Tax owed is (Income * .0637 ) - 4042.5

Worst case, my whole W2 is taxable (it's not, I have deductions)
$477,600 * .0637 = $30,423.12
$30,423.12 - $4042.5 = $26,380.62

$26,380.62 ÷ $477,600 = 5.52%

CX500T 01-12-2025 08:08 PM

Now for VA. Per the books, the forst $18k is tax free but they've been trying to impute disability as income, I'm currently fighting them on two years of this.

Tax = AGI -$18,000 * 5.85%
($477,600-$18,000)*.0585 = $26,886.60
that's 5.63% effective tax rate.

CX500T 01-12-2025 08:14 PM

Now for VA. Per the books, the first $18k is tax free but they've been trying to impute disability as income, I'm currently fighting them on two years of this.

Tax = AGI -$18,000 * 5.85%
($477,600-$18,000)*.0585 = $26,886.60
that's 5.63% effective tax rate.

CX500T 01-12-2025 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 3870205)
Now for VA. Per the books, the first $18k is tax free but they've been trying to impute disability as income, I'm currently fighting them on two years of this.

Tax = AGI -$18,000 * 5.85%
($477,600-$18,000)*.0585 = $26,886.60
that's 5.63% effective tax rate.

Messed up VA math going off memory. Thought it was tax free under 18k, nope just lower rate on first 17k.

It's 5.75% on anything over $17k, plus $720 for the inccome under 17.

5.696% effective tax rate in VA.
$477,600-17,000 = 460,600 * .0575 = $26484.5
add $720
$27204.5 / 477,600 = .05696


nene 01-13-2025 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870046)
how does this chart notmalize for progressive income taxes? Or how someone with a high property tax relative to income might change this?


it’s rather impossible to make a comparison from california to other states in terms of property tax because of the distortion caused by prop 13. you have $5m homes with property taxes lower than $300k starter homes.

When I lived in CA 17yrs ago, we had three neighbors and all of our houses were within $50K in value of eachother but because of prop 13, one neighbor paid about $5000K in property taxes/fees annually, I was at around $8000 and the newest neighbor to move in was nearly $11000K annually all for the exact same services/schools etc.

OOfff 01-13-2025 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3870353)
When I lived in CA 17yrs ago, we had three neighbors and all of our houses were within $50K in value of eachother but because of prop 13, one neighbor paid about $5000K in property taxes/fees annually, I was at around $8000 and the newest neighbor to move in was nearly $11000K annually all for the exact same services/schools etc.

yep. absolutely idiotic. there are places in beverly hills, newport or palos verdes with 3-digit property tax bills.

FangsF15 01-13-2025 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870359)
yep. absolutely idiotic. there are places in beverly hills, newport or palos verdes with 3-digit property tax bills.

Sounds like folks are pulling up the ladder. Isn't this the same state that effectively has an 'exit tax' for those leaving for greener pastures?

OOfff 01-13-2025 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3870367)
Sounds like folks are pulling up the ladder. Isn't this the same state that effectively has an 'exit tax' for those leaving for greener pastures?

sounds scary in a talk radio sound bite, but it’s fairly logical in practice once you understand the loophole it’s designed to close.


also, since few of us are worth $30m, it’s not much to worry about.

PRS Guitars 01-13-2025 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870375)
sounds scary in a talk radio sound bite, but it’s fairly logical in practice once you understand the loophole it’s designed to close.


also, since none of us make $30m a year, it’s not much to worry about.

So, what is the loophole that it's designed to close for those of us not in the know?

OOfff 01-13-2025 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 3870378)
So, what is the loophole that it's designed to close for those of us not in the know?

capital gains tax evasion by people who built gains in california and then move away to realize those gains


doesn’t apply unless your net worth is $15m/$30m or higher in the exit year

fcoolaiddrinker 01-13-2025 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870359)
yep. absolutely idiotic. there are places in beverly hills, newport or palos verdes with 3-digit property tax bills.

What are you proposing to replace it with? Complaining is easy. It’s working well for me. 4k property tax on a 1.1 million property I’ve owned and lived in for years. You’re leaving out some details such as it has to be your primary residence.

OOfff 01-13-2025 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3870401)
What are you proposing to replace it with? Complaining is easy. It’s working well for me. 4k property tax on a 1.1 million property I’ve owned and lived in for years. You’re leaving out some details such as it has to be your primary residence.

it “works out” for me, too, if i ignore the consequences it brings for those unfortunate enough to be born after me.

fcoolaiddrinker 01-13-2025 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3870405)
it “works out” for me, too, if i ignore the consequences it brings for those unfortunate enough to be born after me.

yeah 1.1% initially was a bit of a stretch but knowing that would get better and better over time is part of the reason for the initial cost.
That sounds like a non answer to the question. I’m with you on the next generation but simply removing the prop creates a bunch of new issues.


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