Honestly I don't really care specifically about SC, I just think it's misleading when somebody posts "only worked an avg of 3 days a month last year! Made $250k"

As long as they are at least accounting for unused reserve days in there it gives others the ability to make much more realistic CBA to CBA comparisons with real world numbers. Something like "flew on avg 3 days/month, avg 14 days unused LC/SC days a month" or whatever the numbers are. If someone wants to break out SC go for it.

That’s fine but there’s a clear difference between LC & SC. Being on a 2 hour leash is limiting even if you live 5 minutes from the airport.

I don't think it's misleading in the slightest. We are talking about 121 ops, here. I think people are smart enought to figure out the difference.

It’s not misleading to you, because you are intimately familiar with 121 ops and at least one legacy carrier’s contract, and probably at least somewhat familiar with the contracts of other major carriers. Not everyone reading this is on the list of a major airline though.

It’s absolutely misleading. I get that you don’t consider an unused day of LC “work,” but it is still a day obligated to the company. Simply saying, “I only worked 3 days per month!” leaves one wondering if you were only scheduled for 3 total days per month, or if you also had 7 or 10 or 15 or 20 unused days of reserve each month.

You don’t consider it work, but leaving out how many unused days of obligation to the company DOESN’T PAINT THE FULL PICTURE.

I really don’t understand why you refuse to acknowledge this point in the slightest. Just saying people are smart enough to figure it out makes me wonder if you’re just trolling, sh*t posting, or if you have some ulterior motive for not wanting people to know how many days of obligation to the company you really have.

Has anyone even said “I only work 3 days/month” in this thread? I don’t understand why some of you are so obsessed with this.

First, a reserve day without being assinged duty is not rest, per se. But I know in 117 rest has to be prospective. And I'm pretty sure that its not the same in 121. Unless I'm misunderstanding intepretations. For example, in 121, when given an assignment, one has to 'look back' 7 days (168 hours) from the end of that duty and have at least 24 consecutive hours off somewhere in that time. I don't know if you are referring to something different than that?

/thread drift

It’s 30 hrs rest (no obligation to the company) on the look back. That’s a 117 reg but not considered a day off in some agreements. An example would be some agreements allow stacking res day consecutively. Company still needs to provide contractual min days off but could be forced to also provide that rest (30 hrs) in addition to min days off. Next question I guess is what to consider that forced rest period? Lol.

What agreements don't consider 30 hrs of rest a day off? Because that is the majority of my time off on reserve where I work.

F9 and I believe Hawaiian? I’m not sure how others handle the rest when stacking days? Several just won’t allow you to stack more than 5 or 6.

Note: this is just me as a poster and IMO...

Respectfully, it is absolutely not misleading to state "Reserve days worked: X". This is "Airline PilotCentral" after all, specifically the "Major" Forum. It's not the 135 forum. It's not the Career Builder forum. It's totally reasonable and acceptable to speak to the intended audience here, expecting readers are smart enough to get it. If a lurker doesn't understand 'it', it's over their head anyway.

Look, no-one is trying to deceive here, but some act like others are. If someone is trying to hide the fact that they bid reserve at all, and pass off "3 days of work per month" for $500k, I'd 100% agree with you. But I don't see anyone doing that, certainly not intentionally. I'd agree that Reserve posters breaking out unused SC is probably appropriate (if you bother to list days worked at all). In all honesty, the answer to '# SC's' is very different at DL from 2 years ago. BTW, I don't get your last paragraph dig at all. You've been around plenty long enough to know I don't ******* post. and ulterior motive? huh? As you well know, DL requires either 17 or 18 LC days a month, sometimes 1 less in a well staffed category. Happy?

At the end of the day, it's not like this is a scientific study. All this is about is the bookends for what is possible vs. what is common. We don't need to get absurdly granular with data and start including "Time Away From Base", "Legs/day", "uncommutable reports/releases", etc. If an individual wants to start a thread or ask a specific question, start a new thread.

I mean, next thing you know we'll be arguing over whether a Miata is a sports car... ;)

If they can get you a 30+ hour layover somewhere they don’t have to give you a day off at home. SkyWest did that all the time.

Yup. That’s why in the alpa standard definition of day off it states in domicile.

SkyWest pilots:

”What’s ALPA?”

so they could take you below min contractual days off with that? That’s pretty bad if that’s the case. You could potentially not be home the whole month.

I might be misunderstanding your second sentence because it could be read two different ways but this might help anyhow. There is no such thing as time off on res. If your on reserve your on duty. With long call after notification you’re now resting the required 10 hrs. Still not meeting the definition of calendar day off most of the time. That’s why long call traditionally was at least 12 hrs. Time for notification then rest. Without looking at some of these new agreements I don’t believe it’s ever possible to get the 30hr rest requirement with a block of at least 7 res duty periods. There’s contractual ways to deal with this problem. Just separate 117 while in a block of res periods and contractually defined days off.

What’s a “contract”. Kidding aside I never saw them drop below min days off in the policy manual.

Why is so hard just to say....

Hard days Off is Off...

Days not used on reserve as Unused Rsv Days....

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Thats fine but I think there should be a distinction between LC & SC. BIG difference between the two.

because the point is measurement. my day off is bigger than your day off. if not for the spirit of competition in these threads, there would be no question

It is in the regular line holders best interest to not acknowledge the QOL of a reserve line. I as an internet braggard need to let people know how good I have it and they don't. That and my contrarian nature to argue regardless of my personal opinion. Also, they are wrong but commute or excuse it some other way like tradition etc. I'm glad they fail to realize the superiority of reserve because that would jepordize my QOL.

Exactly!

Also, it helps to create a rising tide to lift all boats because there are a LOT of pilots at shops with only SC that don't understand how awesome LC could be.

When it is explicitly accounted for like the rules say..... then maybe people will realize it's something worth fighting for.

Still not the same as a day completely off duty, but pretty damn nice.


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Yup. just list the following three things and let people pull out what matters to them. SC days don't matter as much to me because it barely impacts my daily plan, but I can see why a commuter views it differently. I tend to care much more about how many days I actually turned a wheel.

Total Reserve days
Short Call days
Days you actually turned a wheel