They also seem to be popular with 72 year old women, I’m thinking what are you doing here on your second lean in a row, it’s way past your bed time this can’t be healthy for you.

At AA we now have split duty. 1 leg out, few hours at the hotel, one leg back. They leave at night and come back early AM. They only pay 7:45, which is a raw deal.

Do 9 a month (back to back for three days at a time with a week off somewhere) that’s 21 days off and better than 2-1 rig to block depending on leg length. Short leg/max time for rest could turn out to be a good deal.

I think it's in the eye of the beholder. If you can thrive, at least for a few days, with less than eight hours sleep then if affords a lot of time off during the day. You can be home with kids, work another job, do whatever you want.

If nobody wants them and juniors get forced into, yeah that's no fun for a lot of folks.

It would be really difficult to do them back to back under most legacy CBAs. 7:45 is garbage pay for them, I did many at OO that paid much better than that. There is definitely a huge gap between good ones and bad ones.

id probably go into it with this mindset of getting stuff done at home but in reality after day 2 id be sleeping all day and then spiral into a patterne of never really getting any sleep or anything done.
I did it in my 20s and thats exactly what happened. Now id have to call in fatigue day 3

I used to fly good ones regularly that afforded me over 6 hours (sometimes almost 9) of sleep. The funny thing is the good ones paid way better as well since we got 1:1 pay after 12 hours of duty. If you had one close to the max of 14 hours it would pay almost 8 hours. I remember doing PDX-BOI that paid like 7:40 and had almost 9 hours behind the door. It was next to impossible to stack those back to back though with PBS buffers.

I am in the exact same boat. I cant even fly PM's anymore because they mess with my sleep so bad. This stand up nonsense sounds horrific.

Again, eye of the beholder. Some people need less sleep, and some standups have more hotel time than others.

Thanks for your replies, folks.
Our company is talking about doing them again. Wanted to hear just how operators do still do this.

Originally posted this thread into every folder. Sorry if that upset anyone.

Stay safe,

Jay-Dee