WN control check?
09-18-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 31wins
Are your 737-700 built to withstand this kind control check?
It's a boeing; I'm sure they are holding up just fine.
Right up there with Dehavillands, unless your talking ahout the fancy dancy big ones and their landing gear.
09-18-2007, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by md11phlyer
Full range yes, abruptly NO. An abrupt control change on a flight control with no air load on it isn't proving anything, it's just poor airmanship and hard on the airplane.
The CLT crash would not have been avoided by a rull range control check, and I'm sure they probably did one. Judging a few inches of elevator stop bolt misplacement is virtually undetectable as they would have gone full forward to the 'stops.' The 'stops' were unfortunately not in the right place.
Not dogging on ya, just don't beat on your airplane because you think it will help predict flight control problems.
The CLT crash would not have been avoided by a rull range control check, and I'm sure they probably did one. Judging a few inches of elevator stop bolt misplacement is virtually undetectable as they would have gone full forward to the 'stops.' The 'stops' were unfortunately not in the right place.
Not dogging on ya, just don't beat on your airplane because you think it will help predict flight control problems.
I don't slam the controls around, but I have enough systems and mechanical engineering experience to know that rapid movement is more likely to expose a problem in hydraulic servo valves and actuators.
09-19-2007, 07:07 AM
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Roger that........
Originally Posted by Roger Ball
What kind of dork has a problem with something so trivial...they gave you a ride and now you have the nerve to badmouth them?
The guy was just asking what the norm is at SWA.
Had I seen that I would wonder also.
If the pilot banged the controls stop to stop I would question
his actions also.
09-19-2007, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
... I have enough systems and mechanical engineering experience to know that rapid movement is more likely to expose a problem in hydraulic servo valves and actuators.
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09-20-2007, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
It could also be reasonably argued that rapid movements, stop to stop, without the dampening of airloads is also more likely to cause a problem with hydraulic components.
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Some guys just rush for the sake of rushing - without really stopping to consider why. Not unlike changing frequencies. I'm still fascinated with why some dudes feel the need to dial up the new freq and throw the switch like it was some kind of a race - usually cutting off the controller as he is starting to say "before you go, or no, the freq was.....". I will say that in my 15 here, that haul-ass mentality has died off considerably (thankfully).
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