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FlyByCable 09-26-2007 10:56 AM

Analyst says 20% probability of APA having to take a pay CUT!
 
Analyst Jamie Baker of JP Morgan suggests that contract talks at American Airlines aren't likely to produce a steep increase in employee wages, and could even result in a pay cut. Here's what he said in a report:
We ascribe a 50% probability to a wage increase no larger than 10%, 30% probability to wage-neutral contracts, and 20% probability to lower wages. Yes, we just said 'lower wages'. Management and pilot rhetoric likely to deteriorate next year, but pilots know they're walking a tightrope. Any involvement of an NMB-appointed mediator down the road would likely focus on the fact that AMR wage rates are meaningfully higher than market to begin with. Sure, pilots may ask for hefty increases, but the facts remain: AMR wage rates are already uncompetitive, and negotiations are taking place against a backdrop of economic uncertainty. Not too shabby of a position for management, or stakeholders, to be in, in our view.

ewrbasedpilot 09-26-2007 11:44 AM

As long as we continue to have an "oil friendly" administration who cares less about the workers, and more about making their "black gold" friends richer, it is you and I who will continue to pay for the majority of the fuel increases. Kind of interesting how oil continues to go higher and higher and the only people getting blamed for it is US!!! Sad, isn't it? Going to be really interesting to see how much profit the oil companies come out with especially when oil is $20 a bbl higher than last quarter! :rolleyes:

aa73 09-26-2007 12:18 PM

Jamie Baker... probably paid off by AMR press to spout such rosy outlooks.

7576FO 09-26-2007 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by FlyByCable (Post 237538)
Analyst Jamie Baker of JP Morgan suggests that contract talks at American Airlines aren't likely to produce a steep increase in employee wages, and could even result in a pay cut. Here's what he said in a report:
We ascribe a 50% probability to a wage increase no larger than 10%, 30% probability to wage-neutral contracts, and 20% probability to lower wages. Yes, we just said 'lower wages'. Management and pilot rhetoric likely to deteriorate next year, but pilots know they're walking a tightrope. Any involvement of an NMB-appointed mediator down the road would likely focus on the fact that AMR wage rates are meaningfully higher than market to begin with. Sure, pilots may ask for hefty increases, but the facts remain: AMR wage rates are already uncompetitive, and negotiations are taking place against a backdrop of economic uncertainty. Not too shabby of a position for management, or stakeholders, to be in, in our view.

Dear Jamie Baker of JP Morgan you probably might want to rethink those percentages. Because 95,000 American employees dispense 10% of their wages each month to an Investment firm for retirement called um uh, uh i think it's oh, say, JP Morgan!
I bet your Supervisor Kicks 100% of your ass tomorrow.

Good news to all/any comm mulit instr rated pilots.
If my Union APA cannot arrange a pay raise and instead I take another pay cut, then there will be a job opening at American Airlines (Mine)

This is all management 101. And this is another analyst pulling numbers out of his arse.

Futureman 09-26-2007 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 237567)
As long as we continue to have an "oil friendly" administration who cares less about the workers, and more about making their "black gold" friends richer, it is you and I who will continue to pay for the majority of the fuel increases. Kind of interesting how oil continues to go higher and higher and the only people getting blamed for it is US!!! Sad, isn't it? Going to be really interesting to see how much profit the oil companies come out with especially when oil is $20 a bbl higher than last quarter! :rolleyes:

It's called supply and demand. Have you been reading the Daily Worker?

Futureman 09-26-2007 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 237567)
As long as we continue to have an "oil friendly" administration who cares less about the workers, and more about making their "black gold" friends richer, it is you and I who will continue to pay for the majority of the fuel increases. Kind of interesting how oil continues to go higher and higher and the only people getting blamed for it is US!!! Sad, isn't it? Going to be really interesting to see how much profit the oil companies come out with especially when oil is $20 a bbl higher than last quarter! :rolleyes:

Here is a proposal from your Dem buds:

"WASHINGTON -- Dealing with global warming will be painful, says one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress. To back up his claim he is proposing a recipe many people won't like _ a 50-cent gasoline tax, a carbon tax and scaling back tax breaks for some home owners. _A 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and jet fuel, phased in over five years, on top of existing taxes."

That should help the airline industry. This is being sponsored by Rep. Dingell (Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee). Have fun watching your Dems wreck the economy because they think the government can control the weather.

Eric Stratton 09-27-2007 04:52 AM

[QUOTE=Futureman;237772]Here is a proposal from your Dem buds:

"WASHINGTON -- Dealing with global warming will be painful, says one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress. To back up his claim he is proposing a recipe many people won't like _ a 50-cent gasoline tax, a carbon tax and scaling back tax breaks for some home owners. _A 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and jet fuel, phased in over five years, on top of existing taxes."

That should help the airline industry. This is being sponsored by Rep. Dingell (Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee). Have fun watching your Dems wreck the economy because they think the government can control the weather.[/QUOTE]

because the Repubs have done such a good job. I sure hope we don't get back to the times of 92-00 because those were bad times. especially with all of those trials...:)

ewrbasedpilot 09-27-2007 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Futureman (Post 237772)
Here is a proposal from your Dem buds:

"WASHINGTON -- Dealing with global warming will be painful, says one of the most powerful Democrats in Congress. To back up his claim he is proposing a recipe many people won't like _ a 50-cent gasoline tax, a carbon tax and scaling back tax breaks for some home owners. _A 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and jet fuel, phased in over five years, on top of existing taxes."

That should help the airline industry. This is being sponsored by Rep. Dingell (Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee). Have fun watching your Dems wreck the economy because they think the government can control the weather.

Ha Ha!! I watched Bush take a SURPLUS and throw it all away. I've watched oil go through the roof, and I've watched the airlines get decimated......all under his highness Georgia boy. Yet CEO's and oil companies are making so much money they don't make banks big enough to store it all, and Bush blames US for this big problem. But then again, we have this really popular war that George got us into, that's cost us over 3800 lives and almost a half trillion dollars with NO END IN SIGHT (the so-called "war" plan that he won the election on is still unkown to everyone, including himself), but hey, I don't mind taking paycuts so guys like him and Cheney can make money in the oil industry, do you? I've also watched his administration whack the contollers salaries and benefits (we paid for that one dearly over the summer too!!! YAHOO!!! ). Yep, the republicans have been wonderful for this industry, haven't they? :rolleyes:

ewrbasedpilot 09-27-2007 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Futureman (Post 237660)
It's called supply and demand. Have you been reading the Daily Worker?

Gee, has the demand quadrupled in the last couple of years? I don't hardly think so. How many refineries have been built with all these oil profits? Where is Halliburtons new headquarters going to be? How convenient. HMMMMM.........:eek::rolleyes:

av8r4aa 09-27-2007 06:38 AM

My Math
 
I can assure Jamie, with a 20 % paycut ,100% of the metal
WILL NOT MOVE!!!!!!!


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