Am I missing something here...... Did I say I would not allow someone????

When you find a scabs name on the list and you ask if it is true - what is the persons reaction when you say you have to leave the aircraft?

I keep an electronic version on my PDA. Works well. My CA's have denied because of low O2 a few times. ;)

"I'm sorry but the jumpseat is not available"

Nothing more is required and it goes for anyone when the jumpseat is not available..

Where do you work?! :confused:

hehe I see.. I just had this mental picture of someone trying to get on and the CA pulling out the huge scroll in front of them and scanning it for a minute till they found the name..

Yall are just awful. Denying a seat to someone that doesnt necessarily support your agenda is wrong. Not everyone has to think the same. Thats why we live in America. I find it very childish that some of you keep a list of people you don't agree with just to punish them for not supporting your ideas. Its like the bullies ganging up on the kid on the playground that is different than them.

How are pilots treated that are simply not part of a union?

Pro-union or find another way home?

Reading all this gives me mixed thoughts about the whole idea of denying scabs a ride. On the one hand, I can understand why a scab would be strongly disliked, as it can be easily argued that scabs helped to bring poorer working environments/pay etc.

But on the other hand I can see the above posters statement as perfectly valid and reasonable. And I would like to think that most everyone could agree with the root of that persons message.

Good thing we're not in Nazi Germany, I guess!

Seriously? You understand that a person who crosses that picket line weakens the purpose of the strike right? Considering how hard it is to strike at an airline, do you think they would be there for no good reason. That list is a testament to people who turned their backs on fellow pilots. Stuff like that isn't forgotten and isn't easily forgiven.

I think its more like the class or group that are "on the same team." Yes, there are always the dorks that volunteer to be class monitors, the ball hogs on the team and the kids that if you don't play their way, they are going home. (i.e. =scab mentality)
vs.
The guys that support the team, share notes, pass gouge, cover for their buddy etc.

I guess it boils down to if you are a team player or just in it for yourself.

Therefore, if you are not on the team then you don't deserve to be treated as if you are.

Dude he's a SCAB captain saying that to a union pilot......where is the disconnect in your brain that this is ok? Your post made no sense.

I see gojets was mentioned as a scab. yeah i know the story of go jets but it is now an airline that who knows may adopt a union some day. So some 19 yr old kid gets a job because of thier low low mins and hes branded a scab? is that for life?

All the viseral lasting hate towards scabs cant be healthy guys.

I have yet to but WILL deny any gojet or "old freedom" pilot.

The issue is not whether they are union, but that they are lending their services to a company soley designed to sell out and undercut other pilots trying to negotiate a fair contract.

Precisely why I voted 'yes' in this poll. If you are a Go-jetter or original Freedom guy then you can not ride my jumpseat if I am the Captain. End of story. Ask the two Freedom guys I kicked off in Denver when I was at Lakes.

No, you didn't. And my question was not meant to antagonize you. It seemed that you were agreeing with the other poster(s) about denying a jumpseat to VX, Sjybus, etc.

Maybe that individual is happy in their job.

Denying someone a ride just because they work for a company you don't agree with is wrong. Another post in this thread mentions everyone working as a team and helping each other out. Denying someone a ride for reasons stated above is not being a team or helping a fellow pilot. It seems that you can be a member of the team, so long as you support what we want and share our beliefs.

When I move to the left seat, I will not deny a fellow pilot a ride, regardless of who they are employed by. It's all about taking care of each other. I may not agree with their politics, but I will extend my hospitalities.

Just remember that the guy you deny today could be the one you're begging a ride for later................. Who will you be hurting then? Just something to think about.

I won't ask GJ for a ride.

They are union. I see a ton of them wearing lanyards that say "teamster unity". I find that pretty funny. If they were unified they would not have stabbed TSA pilots in the back, and then accepted a below industry standard contract just to fly a 70 seat jet. I hope they enjoy the growth and upgrade that those 15 jets bring them. They haven't gotten any more and I doubt they'll get much considering we're taking routes from them.

If you're dumb enough to go work for somebody without doing your homework on who you are working for then yeah, you're going to get denied a jumpseat. It's not like they're the only one hiring and how are you doing yourself any favors by not finishing school? Do you want to fly for a regional the rest of your life?

You're not doing yourself, or your fellow pilots any good by working for GJ, Skybus, or anybody else that's lowering the pay and bennefit bar.

Give it a few years and a few screwings by an alter-ego. That'll change your mind.

Really?

I've denied jumpseats since then. No one said anything about it. I haven't, and won't ever give up MY authority. The FAA was absolutely correct in determining that the jumpseat issue was labor related. The regs haven't changed. I still have my authority. I just know when to use it.

I didn't say I would deny based on where they worked. I would deny a guy on the scab list. That's how I voted. I don't like the way some groups have sold their souls to fly, but if they are well-behaved, I could let them on. A scab pilot abandoned "the team" as you put it. There's a difference.

Not a priority 3. Which means you DO NOT have Captains authority. The company is demanding you take him. Or you will be suspended. Ask Mike.

Interesting (and somewhat civil) discussion... I'm still a bit amazed that 1 in 5 captains would turn away a non-scab just because of where they work.. Amazed frankly..

So let me get this straight. Is some one who goes to work at gojets now a scab? If they go to work for gojets in 5 years will they be a scab then? When does that end? It may be owned by the same people who brought us TSA but doesnt it at some point become its own airline.

When can I expect knife fights in the lounges between ALPA members and gojeters?

Not sure of the numbers but I would bet most people voting are not captains

most certainly not... at least not under ALPA guidelines nor under most pilots guidelines I know.. There are going to be the obligatory a-holes however that will call anyone not working for a legacy carrier a scab..

Here's a question for you guys that say you will deny jumpseats to GoJets. If you were catching a flight somewhere, and found out that the flight you were getting on was operated by gojet, would you jumpseat it?

How do you know if someone is a SCAB?. Is there a main list or is it a personal list?

ive needed a ride home before and GJ was flying it, I found an alternative method of getting home. i absolutely refuse to ride on them. im not in the position to have the authority to say whether or not a scab goes with us. but if i did, they wouldn't, whether or not ALPA views them as scabs, i.e. GJ

i dont really understand why people don't get the thought process behind denying these pilots. we all want better pay, work rules, and overall QOL, and we take the necessary actions to do so as a group. when certain people turn on the group, they are hurting the entire industry, and we are supposed to help these people by extending them a privilege like j/s'ing? i dont think so!

Sorry that happened. Total prick. I have told the CPO twice now that once the door closes it is my airplane and any jumpseaters WILL be in First Class.

So then I guess that mainline pilot that you're displacing from an upgrade because you fly a 50 pax jet for peanut wages around the major airports should then deny you a j/s because you're not paid as well as him and you're taking away good jobs? ;)

Be careful what you ask for kid.

While I am very anti scab you are only hurting your own.

You make a point and deny a scab the jumpseat. Trust me it will be your friend who is trying to jumpseat on his aircraft next when your buddy is trying to get home on the last flight to see his child on an important day.

I've tried this "logical argument" before, but they don't buy it. I'm just wondering if when they go to jumpseat on a UAL/CAL/FEDEX etc.... (yes, I know a few scabs there too) they check to see if the CA flying is a scab so they don't get on....................:rolleyes: (My bet is they'd hitch a ride regardless of whom was flying).

in the end, jump seat is not a place for politics.. it's not only unprofessional, it can hurt you or your good friend later if you're on the wrong side of that political fence.

In other industries, crossing a picket line could land you in the hospital or even threaten the safety of your family. I think a true scab getting denied a free ride once in a while is more than reasonable.

I disagree. Just because your union doesn't like something and wants to picket does NOT mean that everyone you work with agrees with you. Unions have a mafia mentality. Placing people on a list or denying jumpseats is a scare tactic that makes a lot of people support union causes whether they believe in it or not. I personally have flown with several captains that hate the union and their politics but are afraid to withdraw their membership in fear of retaliation (such as things discussed above).

I am not invloving my beliefs in this post. I am not saying whether I personally agree with union issues or not. All I am saying is that people have a right to make their own choices whether you believe in what they do or not.

On behalf of all Waterskiers on this board, I thank you for this remark!

You're right..........until YOU need a ride, then I'm sure it wouldn't matter one bit if the guy giving YOU the ride was a scab. Be careful what you ask for or do because it could come back to bite you and your carpet dance in front of the CP isn't going to hold much water if you said you denied a guy a ride because he was a scab. JMHO.................. Believe me, I've had a few guys I know that have crossed the picket line and gave me a ride to work. Sorry guys, but I'm not going to miss a trip because a line crosser is flying the plane.

I never need a ride that bad. I commute on the first of 3-4 possible jumpseat opportunites...I'll catch the next one. If I get denied by a scab because of my ALPA pin, so be it. He's got more to worry about than I do. If you work in a unionized profession, you don't cross a picketline...period, what happens after is par for the course. Plus I have a much better chance of being bumped because the flight is full, not because of any politics. Your argument has about a 1% chance of happening, especially outside of CAL.

Being non-union doesn't make you a scab. Sure, the J/S has been used as a scare tactic during labor negotiations, but the non-union guy isn't necessarily harming the process. The guys who crossed a picket line are the guys most pilots have a problem with. We all know the RLA makes labor actions difficult if not almost impossible. So to have a strike, you have to be in a real bad situation and have a good reason to strike. That stuff isn't just union/management propaganda, it's serious business.