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Denying Jump seat.. a poll.
Curious, after reading a few posts on here and other forums, it would seem that some are pre-disposed to deny a jump seat to a pilot strictly because of where they work.. i.e. Skybus, or Virgin USA..
Putting Go-Jets aside, would you as a captain deny j/s to anyone who wasn't specifically listed on the scab list, or not in the CASS database? Please, let's try to keep this civil, and just stick to the topic without getting off on tangents. just to be clear... I was hinting at "Based on his employer" not behavior.. so Skybus, Virgin America, JetBlue, etc.. As I've read from a few here and elsewhere that they would not allow them on due to where they work. |
That is a bit of an open ended question, I so far have only denied jumpseat to scab list pilots. But I suppose if the non scab list pilot was behaving in a unacceptable or inappropriate manner I would deny him or her a jumpseat as well. I just haven't ever seen anything warranting that. All jumpseat riders that I have seen except for the scabs of course have been very acceptable.
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Originally Posted by CE750
(Post 250283)
Please, let's try to keep this civil, and just stick to the topic without getting off on tangents.
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I would simply say that it's the Captains discretion to extend the privilege and courtesy of riding in the cockpit jumpseat.
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Originally Posted by Dog Breath
(Post 250294)
You sound like a moderator! :eek: In all seriousness, this sounds really good to me. Name calling or insulting another member will only get your post deleted.
Interesting results so far btw.. |
Originally Posted by Molon Labe
(Post 250289)
That is a bit of an open ended question, I so far have only denied jumpseat to scab list pilots. But I suppose if the non scab list pilot was behaving in a unacceptable or inappropriate manner I would deny him or her a jumpseat as well. I just haven't ever seen anything warranting that. All jumpseat riders that I have seen except for the scabs of course have been very acceptable.
Of course, I'd deny it to a drunk, or a ill mannered pilot, even if he was the president of ALPA. |
Well, this might be different, but I was jumpseating AFTER being diverted to another base on my last leg. Company would not positive space me home from there, only to my base so I jumpseated from there home ( this was CAL ). The flight was WIDE open ( 35 PAX ) on a 73 with 4 in 1st class. The FA put me in 1st and as we were pushing back, 2 FA'scame to me and said the CA said " if he wants to sit in 1st class, he can pay for it!! " come to find out, hes a scab, NO SCABS in my jumps seat if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by whiskerbizkit
(Post 250310)
Well, this might be different, but I was jumpseating AFTER being diverted to another base on my last leg. Company would not positive space me home from there, only to my base so I jumpseated from there home ( this was CAL ). The flight was WIDE open ( 35 PAX ) on a 73 with 4 in 1st class. The FA put me in 1st and as we were pushing back, 2 FA'scame to me and said the CA said " if he wants to sit in 1st class, he can pay for it!! " come to find out, hes a scab, NO SCABS in my jumps seat if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!
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I would've followed that guy to his hotel and gagged him with my blue uniform. *joke*
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Originally Posted by whiskerbizkit
(Post 250310)
Well, this might be different, but I was jumpseating AFTER being diverted to another base on my last leg. Company would not positive space me home from there, only to my base so I jumpseated from there home ( this was CAL ). The flight was WIDE open ( 35 PAX ) on a 73 with 4 in 1st class. The FA put me in 1st and as we were pushing back, 2 FA'scame to me and said the CA said " if he wants to sit in 1st class, he can pay for it!! " come to find out, hes a scab, NO SCABS in my jumps seat if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CRFguy
(Post 250354)
I would've followed that guy to his hotel and gagged him with my blue uniform. *joke*
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if they use the callsign "lindburgh" they ain't riding my airplane.
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Originally Posted by HSLD
(Post 250296)
I would simply say that it's the Captains discretion to extend the privilege and courtesy of riding in the cockpit jumpseat.
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance. At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!! So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations. |
Originally Posted by A320fumes
(Post 250358)
I'd certainly deny a scab the j/s , company constraints allowing, but I'd deny the jumpseat to ANYONE who was not respectful of me or ANY of my crew.
Why make a fellow pilot move out of FC? That's childish, can't believe a PIC would pull that kind of crap. |
Originally Posted by Nashmd11
(Post 250361)
NOT at UPS!!!!!!!
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance. At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!! So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations. |
What's a SCAB?
What's a SCAB? And what's the CASS database?
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If you don't know, then maybe you shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by ranger3484
(Post 250381)
What's a SCAB? And what's the CASS database?
CASS is the Cockpit Access...something something database which verifies a pilot's credentials so that he or she may ride in the cockpit or cabin jumpseat on another airline. Not exact definitions but close enough. |
Originally Posted by Nashmd11
(Post 250361)
NOT at UPS!!!!!!!
The lead councel of the FAA has told us the Captain must take UPS pilots regardless. If you don't, you will be doing a carpet dance. At UPS the company owns the Jumpseat, not the Captain. And the FAA has supported UPS on this!!!!!!!!!!! So much for Captains Authority. The FAA supports the Airlines, not the Regulations. Captains authority is alive and well at UPS, unless you are a weenie, in which case you never had it anyway. |
Your the weenie. You must be a new hire manager. Capt. authority is not alive and well. So dont lie. The only way a Captain can deny the J/S is to have a SAFETY reason!!! This is what is written from the Company and the FAA.
So the Captain at UPS does not have control of his jumpseat. At this time we are not in Contract Talks- So why is this still written. And why does the FAA still support this language? Read the FAR's. The FAA Counsel has totally disregarded the Reg. And we will win this in the future. Weenie- |
Originally Posted by whiskerbizkit
(Post 250310)
Well, this might be different, but I was jumpseating AFTER being diverted to another base on my last leg. Company would not positive space me home from there, only to my base so I jumpseated from there home ( this was CAL ). The flight was WIDE open ( 35 PAX ) on a 73 with 4 in 1st class. The FA put me in 1st and as we were pushing back, 2 FA'scame to me and said the CA said " if he wants to sit in 1st class, he can pay for it!! " come to find out, hes a scab, NO SCABS in my jumps seat if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by whiskerbizkit
(Post 250310)
Well, this might be different, but I was jumpseating AFTER being diverted to another base on my last leg. Company would not positive space me home from there, only to my base so I jumpseated from there home ( this was CAL ). The flight was WIDE open ( 35 PAX ) on a 73 with 4 in 1st class. The FA put me in 1st and as we were pushing back, 2 FA'scame to me and said the CA said " if he wants to sit in 1st class, he can pay for it!! " come to find out, hes a scab, NO SCABS in my jumps seat if I have anything to say about it!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by ranger3484
(Post 250381)
What's a SCAB? And what's the CASS database?
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Originally Posted by Joeshmoe
(Post 250483)
Are you SERIOUS? I mean I am speechless. He was a SCAB captain and said THAT to a union member? Ok, I'm going down to my heavy bag so my wife's cat doesn't end up a point after attempt........
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Originally Posted by wannabepilot
(Post 250508)
OMG how dare him!!! I see how it works...it's ok to deny him a jumpseat or any other privilege, but when he returns the favor it's outrageous, and he all of a sudden doesn't have that right. Interesting. If you dish it out, I would be prepared to receive it as well. I'm not pro-union or anti-union, just an observer.
Is the scab pilot denying j/s simply out of revenge and bitterness (and possibly self-loathing for his career altering decision)? Or is the scab pilot simply a genuine cornhole? Who knows. Sounds more like stroking his ego and hiding behind his cockpit door, to me. |
I'm a bit disturbed that 1 in 6 members of this forum would deny a Skybus or Virgin America pilot the j/s just because of their employer.. Sad.
1 in 6.. :rolleyes: |
I agree...
This must be high school!! I will deny you service at McDonalds because you work at Burger King. How dare you! So when you guys deny jumpseat to somebody, you must run to the internet and post on a website how you kick somebody off.. WOW! |
Fly,
Nice screen name !! How fast is "Fast" Fli |
I have never denied a jumpseat to scab.......However, when SCABS show up we often are below the allowable O2 limit for the extra person in the cockpit or the belts on the jumpseat look frayed and for safetys sake I better have it deffered.
They have never been denied. The problem is there is never a usable seat. Too bad. |
Originally Posted by btwissel
(Post 250359)
if they use the callsign "lindburgh" they ain't riding my airplane.
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Originally Posted by FliFast
(Post 250577)
Fly,
Nice screen name !! How fast is "Fast" Fli |
Originally Posted by CE750
(Post 250529)
I'm a bit disturbed that 1 in 6 members of this forum would deny a Skybus or Virgin America pilot the j/s just because of their employer.. Sad.
1 in 6.. :rolleyes: What is really sad..... Is the pay at those outfits!!!!!!!!!! |
Originally Posted by Al Aska
(Post 250661)
What is really sad..... Is the pay at those outfits!!!!!!!!!!
I frankly think its worse when a well established union from a well established airline votes to accept deep pay cuts, thus re-defining the pay scales of everyone smaller (including startups).. A start up with lots of promise opens up and tells its workers .. in due time you'll get paid better (and I assume their pilots will expect it), that's not so sad in my book... that's jobs. So you'd turn away a VX or SX pilot? |
Originally Posted by Al Aska
(Post 250661)
What is really sad..... Is the pay at those outfits!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 250497)
CASS=Cockpit Access Security System. And a question to those who would deny a j/s for say a Gojet pilot? Do you tell them to their face that that is the reason you won't let them ride?
Originally Posted by Lambourne
I have never denied a jumpseat to scab.......However, when SCABS show up we often are below the allowable O2 limit for the extra person in the cockpit or the belts on the jumpseat look frayed and for safetys sake I better have it deffered.
They have never been denied. The problem is there is never a usable seat. Too bad. |
So do you guys travel with a scab list with you? Then when someone comes to use the JS "Hey whats you name? Ok Joe Smith, hold... Nope you're on my list, and not getting on! So long sucker!"
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Originally Posted by JSchraub
(Post 250795)
So do you guys travel with a scab list with you? Then when someone comes to use the JS "Hey whats you name? Ok Joe Smith, hold... Nope you're on my list, and not getting on! So long sucker!"
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Originally Posted by JSchraub
(Post 250795)
So do you guys travel with a scab list with you? Then when someone comes to use the JS "Hey whats you name? Ok Joe Smith, hold... Nope you're on my list, and not getting on! So long sucker!"
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Originally Posted by Lambourne
(Post 250595)
I have never denied a jumpseat to scab.......However, when SCABS show up we often are below the allowable O2 limit for the extra person in the cockpit or the belts on the jumpseat look frayed and for safetys sake I better have it deffered.
They have never been denied. The problem is there is never a usable seat. Too bad. |
Originally Posted by CE750
(Post 250668)
How well did Alaska pay when they were a startup? (ok bad question, as that was the 30's), but how about Southwest. or Airtran, etc?
I frankly think its worse when a well established union from a well established airline votes to accept deep pay cuts, thus re-defining the pay scales of everyone smaller (including startups).. Using your pay scales to define everyones pay!!!! Yes it is worse! Rat bastages! A start up with lots of promise opens up and tells its workers .. in due time you'll get paid better (and I assume their pilots will expect it), that's not so sad in my book... that's jobs. I wonder how that is working for Jet Blew??? How long is due time??? So you'd turn away a VX or SX pilot? |
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