So Albie should change to Albie727?:p

I don't know albie from Adam.........but from the time I spent deployed to Kadena (early 80's) If I was an Air Force guy. I know that I would never admit I flew F-15's.......not that there is anything wrong with that..........:p


I suppose the MEC could use an Altenative lifestyle person.....:eek:

Redeye...

Why bring up 1 Seat's background in the first place? Why make it personal? Why assume someone is an AF hired at SWA? Why call him a "Real Airline Pilot" (with unmistakable contempt.) In case you’ve forgotten, YOU started the military vs. civilian thread creep...

The only assumption I can make is that you don't feel confident enough in the logic, reason, or facts that support your position to unemotionally outline them.

Simply defend your IDEAS, that's is all I ask.

The fact that MANY airlines pilots have military experience is not relevant to your assertion(s). (BTW, I used a “35 year Capt” intentionally, thinking that a 35 year Capt would have to have started under age 25, thus no military experience. I didn’t take reserves/ANG into account, but then, they would be vets too… :) )

You imply that an ex-military pilot just starting a second career was/is not qualified to comment. That you had to have worked at several airlines, walked a picket line, been furloughed, etc. to comment.

You never explained why all of those are prerequisites, or why they make you more/less qualified to debate. (Even a day-one new hire can have a good idea. A 35 year Capt can have a bad one, too.)

Now back to the original topic…
Why isn’t military time/LOS counted for the list integration. If DOH/LOS is the only fair method to integrate the list, why isn’t the 10-20+ years a person spends flying in the military counted? Others have made the argument that doctors, lawyers, managers, and other professionals are given “credit” for the time/experience they gain at other jobs. They use that argument to advance the idea that the experience gained at one airlines to flow to another.

IF (note the word “IF”)
- you advocate DOH/LOS integration, and/or a national seniority list
- you believe that military service is of equal “value” to civilian experience

Then why not let the military guys benefit in the same way?

I tell you what Clipper, why don't you start a new thread and I'll answer all your questions there!

I'd have to disagree with you on that one.

I don't think I ever said "I have no sympathy for the USAir East guys." I have no sympathy for a "burn down the company" attitude.

I did say, and stand by the statement that most of the proffesional aviators I know have little to no sympathy for their current efforts.

Only if I can assume that you are lucky to be where you are.

Or maybe we could both assume that we're qualified professional aviators who've earned our respective jobs, and qualified to print an opinion or pass on an observation or two.

You decide.

I only know one AmWest pilot. The majority of the guys I know work for United, SWA, Fedex, American and Delta. These are the pilots I'm speaking to every day. If you're in a Reserve/ANG unit, 2/3rds of the pilots are card carrying dues paying union aviators. I'm not talking about the opinions of guys who have "dogs in the fight." (I'm getting sick of the dog analogy too).

I agree. That's why I never said that.

Why the hell is this even being discussed? The people who frequent these forums and are flying for an airline know that by the time you are lucky enough to get hired by a major carrier it's pretty hard to figure out who flew what where. That's why literally everyone you fly with asks where you came from and what you flew.

I've said it before and I'll repeat it. Some of the worse pilots that I've ever flown with were military pilots. And some of them were civilian pilots.

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Really? Please explain how a 35-year airline captain has done "more for his country" than a military, combat veteran.[/quote]

There are many ways to do something for ones country besides military service. Thomas Jefferson never wore a uniform.

There are many ways to do something for ones country besides military service. Thomas Jefferson never wore a uniform.

Who does he fly for?

Really? Please explain how a 35-year airline captain has done "more for his country" than a military, combat veteran.[/QUOTE]

Your post stated that he did more for his country AND THEREFORE THE INDUSTRY. It's the latter that I have a problem with.

There are a lot of union people out there that volunteered many, many hours to make this a safer, and therefore, "better" industry. Pretty tough to do that when you're not a union member.