Supposedly, anyone hired in the next few months at EOS will be a Capt. within 1 year of DOH...So, check my math...year 2 pay is $112/hr +...who else is giving that kind of second year pay 'cause I want a job with them! To get to 757 Capt and/or pay of $112 hour, how long do I have to work for USAir or United or NWA or CAL or....do I need to go on?...What year pay is $112 hr at DAL on the 757? Oh you have to be a Capt to do better than that...I'm guessing the jr. 757 Capt at DAL has a few years under his/her belt. Compare "projected earnings" over the next 10 years at EOS and USAir, NWA, etc. I bet the EOS guy makes a heck of a lot more in the next 10 years. Yup, EOS might not exist tomorrow but then again maybe USAir won't either. Yes, UPS and FEDEX come close in second year pay but one is not hiring and one is hiring about 3 people a month and you have to go to ANC, not so fun for a guy that lives on the east coast...just my two cents.

I find it humorous how people bash these companies/pilots when really only UPS/FEDEX/SWA pay what we consider "proper wages" and only UPS is hiring at a trickle...AA and DAL are close but AA wont hire off the street for a while and some people can't/don't want to work for DAL for 5-10 years to get to $112/hr. Face it folks, it ain't what it used to be for someone trying to get into the game flying "heavy iron" so let's keep the bashing to a minimum until we can get a national union for ALL "major" pilots then we can bash the scabs and union busters. Bashing someone for trying to make the best living they can is not cool. Think about it, if you happen to live in/near Columbus, OH and could be an A319 Capt. within 6-9 months of DOH, home every night, great stock options (if they hit), and better pay at year 2 (cause you are a Capt.) than any legacy, wouldn't you do that rather than commute to JFK or MSP or EWR? So why bash the Skybus folks for doing what they want?

Nope, I don't work for EOS or Skybus but I'd rather be there than any legacy except maybe two and like I said, one ain't hiring for a long time...

Actually, as far as I know, all the current EOS pilots are guys with at least a thousand hours on type. There may be one or two exceptions in there, but they were all typed and experienced before going to EOS. EOS seems to be a good outfit, pay will get better.

Excellent, fact-based post.......

Hey the way things are going for some of the legacy carriers... who knows if the airline will last long enough for them to upgrade? At least at Max, Eos, Skybus, and V/A there probabaly is a better chance of survivability since their operatining expenses have been calculated based on thier respective operations, unlike the legacy carriers which are trying to re-establish themselves as viable competitors to the LLCs

Good luck to the men and women at these new start ups.

In what way are YOU raising the bar? By supporting a national union? By getting paid even 1/2 of what a jet FO was paid 10 years ago to fly an 86 seat jet? By having your company establish a pension plan? Tell us oh wise and super experienced one: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO RAISE THE BAR????

C'mon Maxjet, can't you see how he is raising the bar. He's posting here on APC telling everyone how awful they are for flying for a startup. Tell me how the legacies and others are raising the bar at starting pay of anywhere between $25/ hr (USAir) and $39 (UPS). At least the rest of UPS' pay after that is decent, but the other carriers?:confused:

Let's not give KoolaidMan too much grief, come on, his company starts you off at $19/hr, not the lowly $66/hr that EOS gives you and they max out at $99 after 18 YEARS, so that $112+ hr second year pay at EOS doesn't compare! Makes you wonder what people are thinking sometimes, doesn't it? He/She is probably a west coast person and wouldn't want to commute to JFK (who really does?) but are you telling me that he wouldn't leave his sweet RJ F/O position to be a 757 Capt in 2 years at $112/hr? I guess he really is drinking some sort of KoolAid!!!

Here we go again 757er with an ave to grind...
 

I just jumpseated from STN to JFK yesterday. Excellent trip everybody was super helpfull, from check-in at STN to JFK what a great experience the Atlas guy that was also on the flight as a second J/S was having a good time also. Food was great and enjoyed a movie or two, the F/A's were super attentive and I can see why they are getting folks to come back.

Come on 757 dude grow up this is the real thing J/S was great.:)

I jump seated from STN to JFK on Maxjet. Great experience. Hats off to the crews who made it happen!

Now for the $64,000 question. With seat available in the back... who in their right mind would give a rats @$$ about the cockpit jumpseat? I work in that front office... and the last place I want to be when commuting is in that same office!

You guys mis-understood my post. I'll explain again:

EOS pilots can ride to/from JFK, their domicile, in other CASS carriers' COCKPIT jumpseat, but noone except EOS pilots can ride in THEIR own cockpit jumpseat because EOS flies int'l and there is NO int'l CASS. Got it? Yes, I know you guys can 'jumpseat' in the back of EOS/Maxjet flights, just like you can on Delta and United, but NOT in the COCKPIT jumpseat. That is what I meant.