Search
Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

UAL Future

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-29-2007, 11:33 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
Default

Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.
I understand that. But at some point they run out of domestic widebodies to redeploy. Then they either quit expanding or buy some new widebodies. I would prefer the latter.
jsled is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 01:27 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
Default

Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.
BTW, do you fly the DC-8? Is that the "fly by cable" reference?
jsled is offline  
Old 11-29-2007, 02:55 PM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
REAL Pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 225
Default

Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.
Not exactly correct for at least two reasons: first, international deployment requires higher aircraft utilization thus an increase in flight hours. Second, most (Pacific anyway) international requires crew augmentation thus increasing crew requirements.
REAL Pilot is offline  
Old 12-01-2007, 12:51 PM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
pilotss's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: E190
Posts: 103
Default Profit growth

Originally Posted by FlyByCable View Post
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.
I understand that the domestic market is to be the weakest market in the next few years and the international flying margins are projected to be greater. You will see the majors focusing on their international routes for expansion or just better profit.

I think it is the right move.
pilotss is offline  
Old 12-03-2007, 12:25 PM
  #15  
Gets Weekends Off
 
alvrb211's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,045
Default

Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL
alvrb211 is offline  
Old 12-03-2007, 12:34 PM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
bigfatdaddy's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Posts: 862
Default

Originally Posted by alvrb211 View Post
Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL
Change is definitely in the air for many of the players. Perhaps many are waiting on the next development in the super-efficient small narrow bodies before commiting to fleet renewal for those frames.
bigfatdaddy is offline  
Old 12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
  #17  
Can't abide NAI
 
Bucking Bar's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,990
Default

Originally Posted by alvrb211 View Post
Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL
They burn twice the fuel of a 50 seat RJ and carry more than three times the load, further, with less performance restrictions. They never, hardly ever, break and cost nearly nothing to own. They serve as a paid up accumulator - they can be parked without payments in the event of a down turn. They are quieter and more comfortable than other narrow body equipment. There is still a few factors going for the venerable super DC-9.

Just like BigFatDaddy said, it will take a very efficient plastic version of a 737 to interest managers in a replacement and even then, the MD's are just so good at doing the job it is going to be an uphill battle to justify $70,000,000.00 to replace a paid for DC-9.
Bucking Bar is offline  
Old 12-03-2007, 07:04 PM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Pilotpip's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: Retired
Posts: 2,934
Default

Yeah, fuel savings are pretty much a moot point if you're blowing a few million a month leasing or paying off the replacements.
Pilotpip is offline  
Old 12-04-2007, 05:15 AM
  #19  
Banned
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 540
Default

Originally Posted by grant123 View Post
Is there a future for UAL? Is UAL looking to improve/grow or just break even? Is UAL now or will it soon to be a place where people will want to work again? What do you think UAL's long term fleet will look like in 15-20 years? Can UAL keep pace with no new aircraft orders? Any more international cities being talked about? Does UAL have any route rights still not being used from the Pan Am purchase?
Thank you.
The future was so bright I quit after ten years...
bifff15 is offline  
Old 12-04-2007, 08:43 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
contrail67's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 737
Posts: 590
Default

deleted....................

Last edited by contrail67; 12-04-2007 at 08:45 AM. Reason: none
contrail67 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bigfatdaddy
Major
9
10-13-2007 04:16 PM
grant123
Major
12
09-04-2007 09:23 AM
Low & Slow
Major
37
08-23-2007 05:07 PM
LAfrequentflyer
Hangar Talk
2
02-01-2006 05:39 AM
HSLD
Major
14
01-30-2006 01:08 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices