Originally Posted by OnMyWay (Post 320725)

Good stuff, I didn't know that the CP was such a bad guy. I wouldn't want the guy to lose his job, I was thinking along the lines of someone other than the FO telling him to shut it. Obviously the wrong way to approach this. Glad this came up.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 320337)

Howdy all,

I fly for a regional but wanted the insight of those with a few more gray hairs. I need advice with a touchy problem: I am flying with a CA who will NOT shut up. He talks continuously (non-flight related) from engine start to shut down. It is to the point I am missing radio calls and getting distracted during critical phases of flight. Ironically, during checklists, the one time I DO want him to speak up, he rifles through them so fast I have don't know when to reply or what I am replying to.

In my 40s, I am no spring chicken and have ten years 135 time; he is in his 30s at his first non CFI job. I have politely and privately asked him to go easy on the chatter when I am flying hoping he would curb the chatter. It worked for the next couple legs, but his old ways soon returned.

On one leg, we were empty and the FA came up to the jump seat to watch. My CA started listening to his iPod. He decided the FA needed to hear a couple songs, so he placed one of the ear buds against his mic. At the time, I was talking to center trying to keep us out of the worst weather and still make some time. Center gave us a choice of long and smooth or short and choppy. Had I been CA, I would have answered immediately, but as I was not PIC, I asked my CA for his preference. After not hearing the reply after two attempts, I yelled "Turn that G.. D... thing OFF!" A few minutes later, he asked me if the iPod really bothered me that much, "Yeah, when I can't hear a D... thing you are saying, it does."

So, I have another long trip with him. I do NOT want this to get hostile nor do I want it to affect my work. So what do you all suggest?

Thanks for the help,
j

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 320337)

Howdy all,

I fly for a regional but wanted the insight of those with a few more gray hairs. I need advice with a touchy problem: I am flying with a CA who will NOT shut up. He talks continuously (non-flight related) from engine start to shut down. It is to the point I am missing radio calls and getting distracted during critical phases of flight. Ironically, during checklists, the one time I DO want him to speak up, he rifles through them so fast I have don't know when to reply or what I am replying to.

In my 40s, I am no spring chicken and have ten years 135 time; he is in his 30s at his first non CFI job. I have politely and privately asked him to go easy on the chatter when I am flying hoping he would curb the chatter. It worked for the next couple legs, but his old ways soon returned.

On one leg, we were empty and the FA came up to the jump seat to watch. My CA started listening to his iPod. He decided the FA needed to hear a couple songs, so he placed one of the ear buds against his mic. At the time, I was talking to center trying to keep us out of the worst weather and still make some time. Center gave us a choice of long and smooth or short and choppy. Had I been CA, I would have answered immediately, but as I was not PIC, I asked my CA for his preference. After not hearing the reply after two attempts, I yelled "Turn that G.. D... thing OFF!" A few minutes later, he asked me if the iPod really bothered me that much, "Yeah, when I can't hear a D... thing you are saying, it does."

So, I have another long trip with him. I do NOT want this to get hostile nor do I want it to affect my work. So what do you all suggest?

Thanks for the help,
j

Originally Posted by PMeyer (Post 320789)

Become less of a pansy, and be more social?

Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 320799)

Do you know anything about sterile cockpit, student pilot?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 320337)

Howdy all,

I fly for a regional but wanted the insight of those with a few more gray hairs. I need advice with a touchy problem: I am flying with a CA who will NOT shut up. He talks continuously (non-flight related) from engine start to shut down. It is to the point I am missing radio calls and getting distracted during critical phases of flight. Ironically, during checklists, the one time I DO want him to speak up, he rifles through them so fast I have don't know when to reply or what I am replying to.

In my 40s, I am no spring chicken and have ten years 135 time; he is in his 30s at his first non CFI job. I have politely and privately asked him to go easy on the chatter when I am flying hoping he would curb the chatter. It worked for the next couple legs, but his old ways soon returned.

On one leg, we were empty and the FA came up to the jump seat to watch. My CA started listening to his iPod. He decided the FA needed to hear a couple songs, so he placed one of the ear buds against his mic. At the time, I was talking to center trying to keep us out of the worst weather and still make some time. Center gave us a choice of long and smooth or short and choppy. Had I been CA, I would have answered immediately, but as I was not PIC, I asked my CA for his preference. After not hearing the reply after two attempts, I yelled "Turn that G.. D... thing OFF!" A few minutes later, he asked me if the iPod really bothered me that much, "Yeah, when I can't hear a D... thing you are saying, it does."

So, I have another long trip with him. I do NOT want this to get hostile nor do I want it to affect my work. So what do you all suggest?

Thanks for the help,
j

Originally Posted by subicpilot (Post 320374)

Always handle things in this order:
1. Try to resolve it with the offending individual. Talk.

If that doesn't work,

2. Tell your captain you are taking the matter to pro stan and go to your union professional standards rep. He should have a more formal chat with the guy. Usually this clears things up. Stress to him that you feel this is a safety issue that is not being fixed at the flight deck level. Nothing personal.

3. If you fly with him after this and he persists, then you can tell him if he doesn't knock it off, you are gonna rat on him to the CP. The professional Mr. Nice Guy approach didn't work and now you have to be a d*ck. Sometimes, some people don't respond to anything but disciplinary action. This is your last resort...even though you are in the right, you probably won't be very popular after doing this. Sometimes the right thing isn't the easy thing.

And calling in sick only dumps this problem captain on some other, possibly less assertive, first officer. You wouldn't be doing a responsible job by doing this.

Just my $00.02.

Originally Posted by PMeyer (Post 320802)

No Lord of the Right Seat on the 135 & ERJ, I haven't but a clue. Come on, I was giving the CA the benefit of always being professional, and it just seems this guy is whining! Parking brake set!

I did however just pick up on the iPod, that is pretty lame.

Originally Posted by OnMyWay (Post 320349)

Man, this may sound drastic, and I hate to sound so anal, but I would call the chief on this. Simply because you would be held just as responsable for any violation (or worse) which may come from this guy yapping at the wrong time.
On a side note, I am not sure who you fly for. I am just an FO-in-training and have yet to go to sim. But my company spent several hours in indoc hammering this very situation into our heads. I could be completely over reacting here. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by EDPM (Post 321133)

Wow...most regionals have lowered their hiring mins to 500TT or lower these days, huh?

After reading this advice, I believe it.

EDPM

Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 320367)

Since you are new you should learn this right away. Call the union/Professional standards before you ever run to the chief pilot!!!

Originally Posted by EDPM (Post 321133)

Wow...most regionals have lowered their hiring mins to 500TT or lower these days, huh?

After reading this advice, I believe it.

EDPM

Originally Posted by EDPM (Post 321133)

Wow...most regionals have lowered their hiring mins to 500TT or lower these days, huh?

After reading this advice, I believe it.

EDPM

Originally Posted by AZFlyer (Post 321265)

....also love when big egos bust a new guys balls even though the person admits right away to being inexperienced. Funny how that works.

Originally Posted by Slice (Post 321266)

Love when guys that fly Warriors and Archers put Captain in their profile.:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Slice (Post 321266)

Love when guys that fly Warriors and Archers put Captain in their profile.:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by subicpilot (Post 320374)

Always handle things in this order:
1. Try to resolve it with the offending individual. Talk.

If that doesn't work,

2. Tell your captain you are taking the matter to pro stan and go to your union professional standards rep. He should have a more formal chat with the guy. Usually this clears things up. Stress to him that you feel this is a safety issue that is not being fixed at the flight deck level. Nothing personal.

3. If you fly with him after this and he persists, then you can tell him if he doesn't knock it off, you are gonna rat on him to the CP. The professional Mr. Nice Guy approach didn't work and now you have to be a d*ck. Sometimes, some people don't respond to anything but disciplinary action. This is your last resort...even though you are in the right, you probably won't be very popular after doing this. Sometimes the right thing isn't the easy thing.

And calling in sick only dumps this problem captain on some other, possibly less assertive, first officer. You wouldn't be doing a responsible job by doing this.

Just my $00.02.