Doug Steenland at NWA
 

Doug Steenland, President & CEO at NWA, has it made. Last year, he earned over 4.4 million! This was/is during a time when the pilots have given back a total of 41% of their pay and benefits. In late '05, he signed a contract which he agrees NOT to take a pay cut or raise from his basic salary of approximately $475,000 a year. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! He keeps harping that we are the highest paid in the industry......I don't think so! An A-320 CA makes less at NWA than Air Tran, JB, Frontier, Alaska, and many others (comparing A320 capt with over 12 yrs). Guess who is the highest paid CEO in the industry....One guess.

Oh yea. I almost forgot.......He gets $58,000 a month for life when he leaves NWA.

Thats pretty brash coming from a guy that will Fly4Beer!

You just dont get it.
If Company A pilots Fly4Beer and Compnay B pilots Fly4Free, then Company A has a higher overhead, and Company B can sell cheaper tickets. Which is all that passengers really care about.

Now Company A can tell there Fly4Beer pilots to Fly4Free, so they can compete with Company B. Company A pilots can shut down the company and go fly for Company C which is Pay2Fly and next year Company B will be in trouble.

Airline pilots not so long ago had Nice Pay, Nice Pensions, Nice Insurance, then guys like Fly4Beer showed up and wonders where all the HIGH paying pilot jobs have gone. We as pilots are cutting our own throats when we are willing to Pay2Fly, Fly4Beer, or Fly4Free.

Any Furloughees get this same deal?
 

Updated: 4:51 p.m. ET Feb. 22, 2006
NEW YORK - A U.S. bankruptcy court Wednesday allowed Delta Air Lines Inc. to implement a severance plan for its senior managers, overruling objections by the troubled airline’s pilots.

Delta said it wants to introduce severance packages --which could cost it up to $14.3 million -- to help reduce the attrition rate among its senior managers, which had risen eight-fold in the last two years.

Michael Winston, pilots’ union lawyer, said the company was proposing “a soft-landing for management without consulting with (the union)” at the same time as it was seeking cost savings from its pilots.

The No. 3 U.S. carrier, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in September, is negotiating for more than $300 million in givebacks from its pilots, as part of $3 billion it says it needs in cost savings and revenue increases to survive.

Winston said the severance plan would make the ratification of any agreement on a new contract difficult. “Pilots are very upset about what is going on right now,” he said.

Judge Adlai Hardin said that the pilots’ union argument that negotiations would be affected by the plan “would seem irrational.”

Delta said the plan was conservative and would cost a maximum of $14.3 million if all the 144 officers and directors covered by it were terminated and received severance.

The airline said compensation for its officers and directors had fallen below industry levels and a severance package would help mitigate some of the job insecurities they faced because of the airline’s bankruptcy. Delta intends to save $200 million more in overhead and administrative costs.

The airline said other full-time employees had severance plans in place and that it had said earlier that it would examine the need for one for its senior managers.

Why don't airline pilots try to get their own people in managment?? That would make the most sense. If an airline is run by pilots, arent they going to be more likely to take good care of the people who make it work in the first place. And who knows more about how an airline works than someone who's been around for the good and the bad? Thats what the mob would do. Get their people in high places and not have to worry about some greedy jackass who has no appreciation for how hard people work. Insted of complain about managment, why not become the managment. Take the freaking airline over! Now I realize that this is much easier said than done but it has to be easier than the current system.

Problem is most airline CEO's nominate the BOD and vice versa. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Just wait until the airlines follow cruise ship companies by registering offshore and start using 3rd world pilots.

The MOB would make a few people disappear and make the ones who were left............."An offer they couldn;t refuse"

Pilots don't have that kind of power.:cool:

Pilots are vicious
 

The most vicious managers are ex-pilots. We had one at Horizon That use to fly the line and gut shot us constantly.

SKyHigh

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!:D

If NWA pilots give in to management, and I know they won't, you'll see the NWA execs giving out huge bonuses to eachother for the great job they did sticking to labor. I wish NWA pilots the best and I hope their stand will be worth it for them and the industry! Remember it's us verse them no matter where you are or how you slice it.

I wonder if the union could ever fenagle some kind of deal where the employees decide wether or not managment got bonuses(wishful thinking). Some kind of balance of power would be good. I know that sounds so optimistic that you probably wonder wether or not I still believe in Santa Claus but there has to be somthing they can do besides sit on it and rotate.

I thought UAL was employee owned, and that was supposed to prevent the rapage of its workers.
Thanks for putting up with my ignorance!

Both United, TWA and Delta (I believe) got it in their contracts to have a seat on the BOD. You have witnessed the fruits of that.............While I think it is great to have a Pilot in upper managment.

We as pilots chose to be pilots because that is what we wanted to do.......Fly
We didn't want to wear suits and sit behind a desk.
Most Pilots couldn't be a CEO anyway.........because while attending college instead of studying micro economics and quantitative accounting during college we were at the local bars chasing skirts . :cool: (not a bad thing)

There are a few of our type that do indeed pocess the necessary skills to MGT. Most true Pilots want to fly..........not push paper.
I know several (former) pilots that work in different management positions because they couldn't fly worth a Sh$$t, so they managed. A few were in the military...General Officer Material but they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Many are here at FedEx We have many low level Pilot managers in many small cubicles scattered around air operations..............Some are good guys.................Most are guys who hate night flying and were never team players to begin with and are one way MF's................You know the type! ONE WAYS