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Old 03-06-2008 | 12:07 PM
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Everyone still says it's okay to make a 10% profit, but what they can't explain is how the price of a bbl of oil has gone through the roof, yet the oil companies are STILL only making a 10% profit. Where is the rest of the money going? The price of oil is up over 50% in the past year or so, yet the margins are still only 10%? I don't believe for one moment that the cost of refining that oil has gone up that fast. Someone needs to start investigating what's going on before the whole USA house of cards comes tumbling down.
As oil is extracted from an oil field, the internal pressures that aid in the extraction process decrease so that as more oil is extracted, the extraction process becomes slower and more challenging. Newer and more expensive technologies have to be researched, developed and utilized, significantly increasing the cost.

These extra costs migrate from the previous profit side if the equation to the current cost side of the equation. IOW, the oil companies use previous profits to fund current research and development in order to extract oil from less accessable and more challenging oil reserves.

As the current oil reserves continue to deplete, this extraction process will continue to become more difficult, which will continue to put upward pressure on the costs of extraction.

New oil reserves have been located, however their locations are geographicly very challenging. One is under the Siberian permafrost; another is off shore Brazil under historicly deep water for extraction. Both of these senarios make future extraction very difficult and costly.

It is difficult and dangerous work.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
Everyone still says it's okay to make a 10% profit, but what they can't explain is how the price of a bbl of oil has gone through the roof, yet the oil companies are STILL only making a 10% profit. Where is the rest of the money going? The price of oil is up over 50% in the past year or so, yet the margins are still only 10%? I don't believe for one moment that the cost of refining that oil has gone up that fast. Someone needs to start investigating what's going on before the whole USA house of cards comes tumbling down.
I am with you there. Any corporation can claim they only make 10% net profit if they write off 90% as expenses and overhead costs. They just have clever accountants. Doesn't take a financial genius to see through that.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JetPiedmont
As oil is extracted from an oil field, the internal pressures that aid in the extraction process decrease so that as more oil is extracted, the extraction process becomes slower and more challenging. Newer and more expensive technologies have to be researched, developed and utilized, significantly increasing the cost.

These extra costs migrate from the previous profit side if the equation to the current cost side of the equation. IOW, the oil companies use previous profits to fund current research and development in order to extract oil from less accessable and more challenging oil reserves.

As the current oil reserves continue to deplete, this extraction process will continue to become more difficult, which will continue to put upward pressure on the costs of extraction.

New oil reserves have been located, however their locations are geographicly very challenging. One is under the Siberian permafrost; another is off shore Brazil under historicly deep water for extraction. Both of these senarios make future extraction very difficult and costly.

It is difficult and dangerous work.
I really can't believe you're serious........... I guess every day when the price goes up another $2 or $3 a bbl, the cost of extracting it went up too??? Inversely, when it goes down, I guess the price of extracting it goes down too!!! What a concept!!! BTW, what do you do for a living? I'm guessing it's not flying planes........

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Old 03-06-2008 | 12:42 PM
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The problem is that in our OH SO sensative society today if you are on the side of lets drill for oil in ANWR then you are perpetuating the huge oil company profits and are anti-alternative fuels thus pro Earths ultimate destruction. If you take the position of looking for an alternative fuel source you are a tree hugging ELF sympathizer. No matter what idea someone comes up with to try and help solve the enegry crisis we face in America, there always going to be someone claiming they are offended by the idea and that it will never work and blah blah blah. Its SUCH a pesimistic society today that it all becomes that self-fullfilling prophecy and we end up right back at square one.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 12:47 PM
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He is definitely not an airline pilot for him to spewing this kind of nonsense.
Reminds me of Russian communist Putin propaganda spreading lies about Chechnya so he can invade Chechnya.

He must think that we will actually buy into this bs. Like I said he sounds a lot like the oil company employee that I had the misfortune of sitting next to on one of early commuting flights.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
Everyone still says it's okay to make a 10% profit, but what they can't explain is how the price of a bbl of oil has gone through the roof, yet the oil companies are STILL only making a 10% profit. Where is the rest of the money going? The price of oil is up over 50% in the past year or so, yet the margins are still only 10%? I don't believe for one moment that the cost of refining that oil has gone up that fast. Someone needs to start investigating what's going on before the whole USA house of cards comes tumbling down.
No doubt refining costs have increased some, but I agree 50% seems unreasonable. It is those in control of the oil fields (and thus the raw crude) who are profiting the most.

So who controls the oil fields?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../BUMDUOD7S.DTL

"The oil fields they [big oil] do control account for only about 6 percent of the world's known oil reserves. Government-run companies in oil-producing countries, such as Saudi Aramco in Saudi Arabia or the National Iranian Oil Co. in Iran, have the rest."

The article is an interesting read.

Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
I am with you there. Any corporation can claim they only make 10% net profit if they write off 90% as expenses and overhead costs. They just have clever accountants. Doesn't take a financial genius to see through that.
Conspiracy theory. Solid.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
I guess every day when the price goes up another $2 or $3 a bbl, the cost of extracting it went up too??? Inversely, when it goes down, I guess the price of extracting it goes down too!!! What a concept!!!
The correlation isn't that direct.

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Old 03-06-2008 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot
BTW, what do you do for a living? I'm guessing it's not flying planes........
You'd be wrong.

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Old 03-06-2008 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
You are clearly not an airline pilot, so why don't you go to some other forum and spread false information.
I can see that because I don't agree with you, you think I don't belong here, but that isn't how this forum, or this country, works.

As to false information, my arguments are on occasion simplified to a degree, but hardly misleading or false.

You take a very vapid approach when people disagree with you in that you resort to personal attacks, trying to discredit other people who have just as much right to be here and express their opinions as you do.

I am retired from 20 years of Legacy flying, and have been a pilot since 1974.
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Old 03-06-2008 | 03:25 PM
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A few simple truths. The oil companies don't and can't control the world price of oil. Neither can the politicos. As one astute observer pointed out, they own a very small percentage of oil wells. They are primarily in the business of extraction and refining.
There seems to be a very vocal element here without any understanding of the basic economic fundamentals. I suggest a course of study in economics. This same group could also make good use of a course in logical debate and manners.

I am always amused at the cries for more taxation and more regulation. I urge you gentlemen to take a very hard look at what taxation and regulation have done for much of the world. http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/2653

Finally, I have appreciated very much the logical and factual posts made here and urge anyone who is really interested to check your facts and not accept blather as any sort of well reasoned argument.

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