DAL: JFK v. ATL
02-21-2008 | 05:59 PM
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Upndsky, are you in the Mar 5th class? If so i'll be there and will be about the middle of the pack looking for JFK 76-ER. Hope that we get slots. Reading other threads it seems that the 88 is way short and the 76 had many bid into it this AE in anticipation of the merger and possible fences.
02-22-2008 | 12:35 PM
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Actually the Feb 18 was the first class after the AE. I'm sure it is in other places but there were 11 ER, 7 88, 1 737 to JFK, 3 88 CVG, 3 88 SLC, 5 737 LAX.
02-22-2008 | 02:09 PM
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02-22-2008 | 06:37 PM
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02-24-2008 | 06:38 PM
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Tough call. Delta's commuting policy is that you have to have 2 flights separated by at least 2 hours that will get you there a reasonable time before your check in, and which indicate actual availability (or on which you have reserved the jump seat) within 24 hours or scheduled departure.
02-24-2008 | 08:03 PM
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If you have some info I'm not aware of please let me know.
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02-24-2008 | 08:23 PM
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02-25-2008 | 03:32 AM
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Although FOM 11-5.1 says, "This policy applies to pilots who are regular line holders and international pilots on ultra long call reserve. This policy does not apply to domestic reserve and international reserve pilots either on short call or long call, except when returning from duty immediately following 'X' days," sully606 is correct that Section 23 Y of the contract makes no distinction between regular and reserve, and I'm surprised ALPA hasn't gotten the FOM language changed.
For example, I don't see why, as a long call reserve, if I'm assigned a trip the day prior, I shouldn't be able to avail myself of the same commuting policy to get to that trip. After all, if I was a lineholder and picked it up through a white- or green-slip on the same short-notice timeframe, it would apply to me.
On the second point, Section 23 Y of the PWA clearly states, in part:
3. A commuting pilot who travels to his base by air will not be eligible for treatment under Section 23 Y. 2. unless he has attempted to travel on at least two flights (on and/or off line) that:
a. show adequate actual seat availability within 24 hours of the departure, considering the pilot’s seniority and the normal load factor of the flight; or, on which the pilot has a jumpseat reservation,
b. are scheduled to arrive at his base at a reasonable time before his scheduled report, and
c. are separated by at least two hours.
(Emphasis added.)
b. are scheduled to arrive at his base at a reasonable time before his scheduled report, and
c. are separated by at least two hours.
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02-25-2008 | 05:32 AM
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The problem with the FOM language is it's obsolete. Ultra long call (ULC) does not exist in name. ULC was a seperate system for Intl. RES on a previous contract. The call out time on ULC was 8 hours ( I think). The current long call is 12.
I would assume the same rule would apply since there is much discussion in the contract about commuting in to cover short call. Long call from home is assumed as long as you can get there with a suitable back-up.
I would assume the same rule would apply since there is much discussion in the contract about commuting in to cover short call. Long call from home is assumed as long as you can get there with a suitable back-up.
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