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I never intended to irritate you or anyone else. I Never made stuff up just for the sake of posting. The letter you posted was the same thing I read. Seems you interperet a tad bit different.
As far as the customer compensation, that is 100% correct as per the customer service manager for AA. As far as my accessing jet net... I do that with my own employee number and password thanks. Neither of my parents work or have worked for an airline. I understand your frustration with AA, and all, but why take it out on me? I didnt get a 200 million dollar bonus. Nor will I get part of the 10 million this time. However from now on, I will link citations to everything I post... I do wish you the best. |
Some up dates:
This is too long for one post so ill break it up in parts... Its the newest headline on Jetnet. ADs, ECOs and AA's M&E Procedures As teams of maintenance, quality assurance and engineering employees work to get the MD-80 fleet back in service, flight and ground crews, airport agents and reservations reps are doing everything possible to take care of AA customers. The decision to ground MD-80s for further detailed technical inspections was to ensure full and complete detailed compliance with an Engineering Change Order addressing an Airworthiness Directive on the auxiliary hyadraulic pump wiring. Airworthiness Directives (or ADs) are issued by the FAA as a part of its Federal Aviation Regulations Part 39, which applies to aircraft, aircraft engines, propellers and appliances. They are published when the FAA determines there is or could be a safety issue now or in the future without taking the prescribed corrective action specified in the directive. The number of ADs released each year can vary. For example, in 2001 there were 16 ADs issued that affected AA's MD-80 fleet. In 2006 there were eight. Engineering Change Order calls for proper spacing on ties Since the rulemaking process for ADs historically can take anywhere from 30 days to seven years, the FAA typically puts out earlier notifications. While these do not carry with them the mandatory compliance of ADs, they serve as warnings to air carriers that there may be a possible safety problem that needs to be addressed. AA's Maintenance & Engineering department is hard at work before an AD is even issued. As soon as the FAA reports that there may be any sort of a safety concern, American takes action. Even though U.S. airlines are not required to respond to Alert Service Bulletins, Mandatory Bulletins, Foreign Airworthiness Directives and Notices of Proposed Rulemakings, AA treats these notices just as seriously as if they carried the gravity of mandatory Airworthiness Directives. |
PT2:
How it Works The most common process for AA to go about determining how to modify one of its fleets is to write an Engineering Change Order (ECO). An ECO is the authority to make a change and provides the method of making the change. AA technical writers compose the ECOs, which then have to be approved by the engineers. AA mechanics are inspecting direction of retention clips and lacing cords on wire bundle in MD-80 wheel wells Due to AA's FAA certification, which is the same as all other large airlines, American's engineers have the ability to implement ECOs after they are approved internally. While this is the given process for making changes to American's fleets, it can also leave room for interpretation to be made as to the best way to write an ECO and accomplish compliance with a given AD for AA's specific aircraft configurations. The issue with the company's MD-80 fleet surrounds questions raised by the FAA about the way in which American implemented this particular ECO addressing the auxiliary pump wiring AD. AA had completed the ECO within the AD specified timeframe, but there was a need to change the way in which the company complied with the AA ECO regarding such items as the spacing of the ties on the wiring bundles and the direction the retention clips and lacing cords. Thanks to the hard work of American's employees, this process is taking place safely and is being handled as quickly as possible. While it has been a disruption to AA's normal operations, the actions recognize the need to ensure that the MD-80 fleet is in complete compliance with the AD, with the goal of restoring AA's MD-80 back to service as soon as possible. I dunno if anyone actually wanted to see this, but i found it interesting. |
7576,
Is the company running any extra sections with, let's say 757/737 equip, Eagle flights, or even someone like a contract carrier i.e World, North American, etc. Referencing the "cancellation" side letter for lack of a better term, did the company ask for any scope relief to use outside lift to move the masses ? Just Curious, I'm out on a trip so I haven't talked to anyone. Thanks, FF |
JayDee,
The pay protection was only approved last night at 5pm. There might have been a blurb on Jetnet from some managment person about the pilots might be pay protected. That was some kind of damage control. No where was it written or alluded to. No HI6 messages for the flt crews. None. You caught my rage because you commented on something that is a very sore topic. I do apologise for the mean things I said to you about "Shut up" As far as pay protection there are now already examples of pilots that do not qualify for pay protection for this event. Imagine losing pay this month from 75 hours to 64 hours. Right now and for the last two years AA management has been telling all the newspapers that AA pilots are the highest paid in the industry. Telling us we and all media that the pilots need to be more productive. Perhaps some employees and others feel that we are overpaid living in gated communities throwing lavish cocktail parties and lighting cigars with 20's. In 2003 I sold my house when the pay cuts (23%+) some took more. Many were furloughed. We still have 1,900+ on furlough. And then you came on here and announced all pilots are pay protected. If you have a question about pilot pay, by all means post. If you have a comment about pilot pay, this is a free country by all means post. But don't come on and tell the internet that the AA pilots are pay protected when I recieved no messages about anything to do with pay. If AA pilots had some sort of pay protection like the other major airlines i'd be more Zenlike. Imagine month after month not knowing if your paycheck will be missing 15% of your take home pay. FF, Referencing the "cancellation" side letter for lack of a better term, did the company ask for any scope relief to use outside lift to move the masses ? The union didn't report to us if or not the Company asked. Nor has the company reported. So I don't know. I didn't look to see if they were subbing Boeings, for me on Sabre it'd be hard to tell. I havn't used RES for umpteen years at least. I only go to DECS. Scary times. I had four friends at ATA. oh and FliFast when you get back remember I got your dinner, drinks and i'll light your cigar with a 20. lol 7576 part time drama princess |
Originally Posted by JayDee
(Post 360758)
PT2:
How it Works The most common process for AA to go about determining how to modify one of its fleets is to write an Engineering Change Order (ECO). An ECO is the authority to make a change and provides the method of making the change. AA technical writers compose the ECOs, which then have to be approved by the engineers. AA mechanics are inspecting direction of retention clips and lacing cords on wire bundle in MD-80 wheel wells Due to AA's FAA certification, which is the same as all other large airlines, American's engineers have the ability to implement ECOs after they are approved internally. While this is the given process for making changes to American's fleets, it can also leave room for interpretation to be made as to the best way to write an ECO and accomplish compliance with a given AD for AA's specific aircraft configurations. The issue with the company's MD-80 fleet surrounds questions raised by the FAA about the way in which American implemented this particular ECO addressing the auxiliary pump wiring AD. AA had completed the ECO within the AD specified timeframe, but there was a need to change the way in which the company complied with the AA ECO regarding such items as the spacing of the ties on the wiring bundles and the direction the retention clips and lacing cords. Thanks to the hard work of American's employees, this process is taking place safely and is being handled as quickly as possible. While it has been a disruption to AA's normal operations, the actions recognize the need to ensure that the MD-80 fleet is in complete compliance with the AD, with the goal of restoring AA's MD-80 back to service as soon as possible. I dunno if anyone actually wanted to see this, but i found it interesting. The AD (2006-15-15) that is giving AA so much grief requires the incorporation of Boeing Service Bulletin MD80-29A070 which requires inspection and/or modification of the wire bundle to the auxiliary hydraulic pump in the main wheel well. Any deviations to the SB require an Alternate Means of Compliance (AMOC) issued by the FAA. AMOCs can be issued for something major such as an extension of the compliance time or very minor such as a change in the spacing of the ties on the wire bundle. Getting an AMOC can be time consuming and approval by the FAA is not automatic. ECOs for AD compliance is basically a copy of the SB required by the AD. The airline engineer doesn't get an opportunity to do much engineering here. No improvising, ad-libbing, or changes allowed unless you have an AMOC. If the SB says to put the wire bundle ties at 1-inch intervals and the mechanic put them at 7/8-inch intervals, an enthusiastic FAA inspector can ground the airplance since you are not in compliance with the AD and therefore the airplane is not airworthy. Game over. |
Originally Posted by 7576FO
(Post 360819)
JayDee,
The pay protection was only approved last night at 5pm. There might have been a blurb on Jetnet from some managment person about the pilots might be pay protected. That was some kind of damage control. No where was it written or alluded to. No HI6 messages for the flt crews. None. You caught my rage because you commented on something that is a very sore topic. I do apologise for the mean things I said to you about "Shut up" As far as pay protection there are now already examples of pilots that do not qualify for pay protection for this event. Imagine losing pay this month from 75 hours to 64 hours. Right now and for the last two years AA management has been telling all the newspapers that AA pilots are the highest paid in the industry. Telling us we and all media that the pilots need to be more productive. Perhaps some employees and others feel that we are overpaid living in gated communities throwing lavish cocktail parties and lighting cigars with 20's. In 2003 I sold my house when the pay cuts (23%+) some took more. Many were furloughed. We still have 1,900+ on furlough. And then you came on here and announced all pilots are pay protected. If you have a question about pilot pay, by all means post. If you have a comment about pilot pay, this is a free country by all means post. But don't come on and tell the internet that the AA pilots are pay protected when I recieved no messages about anything to do with pay. If AA pilots had some sort of pay protection like the other major airlines i'd be more Zenlike. Imagine month after month not knowing if your paycheck will be missing 15% of your take home pay. FF, Referencing the "cancellation" side letter for lack of a better term, did the company ask for any scope relief to use outside lift to move the masses ? The union didn't report to us if or not the Company asked. Nor has the company reported. So I don't know. I didn't look to see if they were subbing Boeings, for me on Sabre it'd be hard to tell. I havn't used RES for umpteen years at least. I only go to DECS. Scary times. I had four friends at ATA. oh and FliFast when you get back remember I got your dinner, drinks and i'll light your cigar with a 20. lol 7576 part time drama princess Hey, no hard feelings here, It is jsut the internets after all. Do you ever fly into BNA? If you do, ill buy you a beer. No doubt AA portrays its pilots as the bad guys. Thats one of the reason why I havent made the move from GA to 121. The airlines blame their problems on the pilots. They always have and always will. I dunno bout lighting a cigar with a 20, but you can borrow my zippo... |
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