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iaflyer 01-19-2009 08:15 AM

Cargo ops used to make money - but these days, not so much.

Other cargo airlines are having trouble too - it's not just NWA Cargo. Kalitta Air has reduced their aircraft (and crews) by 40%, Cathay Pacific Cargo is flying a lot less, and other companies have gone under.

I wish Delta could turn it around, but it seems unlikely. Belly Freight on the B744s or B777 will probably carry some of what was carried before.

Dash8widget 01-19-2009 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by 31wins (Post 540849)
I understand it's official--NW cargo 747s gone within 12 months.

(not gloating)

I wonder how many pilots are on the 747-200F? NW was going to be short pilots once they converted to the DL work rules - the disappearance of the cargo ops may more than offset this shortage. Not good.

Superpilot92 01-19-2009 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Dash8widget (Post 540928)
I wonder how many pilots are on the 747-200F? NW was going to be short pilots once they converted to the DL work rules - the disappearance of the cargo ops may more than offset this shortage. Not good.

its down a bunch now. They have already started thinning it out. I believe the staffing on the freight side is around 200. If they plan on getting rid of the freighters, than 12 months would be plenty of time for them allow bid offs or displace as the pull down happens. The shortage we were going to have may end up being a wash depending on a couple factors. Fortunately we had a shortage coming up that can absorb the pull downs.

capncrunch 01-19-2009 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by 31wins (Post 540849)
I understand it's official--NW cargo 747s gone within 12 months.

(not gloating)

Any source on this, I cannot find it anywhere. My guess it's still a rumor. I think the minimum is 6 months notice for base closure so we will know for sure in June.

nwaf16dude 01-19-2009 03:19 PM

Captain...it's been reported that Anderson said it at a meeting with crews in Narita. No official announcements or press releases.

capncrunch 01-19-2009 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by nwaf16dude (Post 541117)
Captain...it's been reported that Anderson said it at a meeting with crews in Narita. No official announcements or press releases.

I've got a lot of planning to do if the above is true so I'm looking for something more official than someone said he said. I guess this thread will revive itself when an official announcement occurs, so no worries.

Hopefully it's after SOC...

Free Bird 01-19-2009 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 541183)
Hopefully it's after SOC...

Why is that?

capncrunch 01-19-2009 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Free Bird (Post 541223)
Why is that?


I sense hostility....

I'm looking at a Delta base. Well I should say I'm looking at one of my future bases. If I get displaced I want the whole enchilada to choose from.

Commando 01-19-2009 07:30 PM

Not Official my any means, but my buddy is a 757 CA said he heard it last week at work. 12 months it will be gone according to him. It has been talked about as fact at work the last week or so he said. Going all belly space according to people at NWA.

Luckydawg 01-19-2009 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Rotorhead (Post 363281)
The interesting part, when you look at the cargo "lift" capacity (below deck) of a merged DAL and NWA, it is considerably larger than FedEx or UPS; I would be a bit nervous too. It was long ago said that the cargo in the belly of AA's widebodies paid the costs on each flight, I haven't been over to AMR lately, but I Imagine AA Cargo is still a sizeable portion of their income.


Cargo from Asia has fallen off a cliff recently for all carriers, including UPS. UPS core (big revenue) product from Asia is packages. Packages are still doing well internationally. It's in fact still a gem in the UPS system. We have had many canceled flights lately from HKG and PVG. This primarily has to do with the lack of "freight" volume but not packages.


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