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Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 455626)

I agree that this is terrible news.

Sure some Republic guys will be saved a furlough, but ultimately the higher paid Midwest pilots will pay the price, and that is unfortunate. Midwest has been on the fritz for a while, and I think this is the first time I felt they have under a year left.

The only good I can see coming out of this whole thing is if Midwest were to exercise the option to have Midwest pilots fly the EMB-170's. That would be good for the entire industry. I am afraid that Republic pilots would try to fight that. It would be so stupid for them to fight it, but it might happen.

We can only hope...

I don't see any good coming from this. Even if the Midwest pilots fly those 170's it will not be for mainline pay. Mgmt tipped it's hands on the pay rates they are planning to pay with the proposed cuts earlier this summer. If management is successful at getting a mainline pilot group to accept regional wages we are all in big trouble. Please explain to me how any of this is "good for the entire industry".

Time to shut it down

What a joke.... It's time to shut Midwest down they have screwed over the Skyway's Pilot's now the mainline guy's enough is enough. But don't worry ALPA is right there to collect the Repubic "Replacement Pilots" Due's...:mad:

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Originally Posted by mvndc10 (Post 456790)

??? Republic is Teamsters.

I bet your really proud to be part of the same union as those "Replacement Pilot's".... Oh that's right you are going to be replaceing the DHL guy's.....:mad:

Hmm, I smell a troll. :cool:

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Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 455626)

I agree that this is terrible news.

Sure some Republic guys will be saved a furlough, but ultimately the higher paid Midwest pilots will pay the price, and that is unfortunate. Midwest has been on the fritz for a while, and I think this is the first time I felt they have under a year left.

The only good I can see coming out of this whole thing is if Midwest were to exercise the option to have Midwest pilots fly the EMB-170's. That would be good for the entire industry. I am afraid that Republic pilots would try to fight that. It would be so stupid for them to fight it, but it might happen.

We can only hope...

The only thing the republic pilots can fight is if the company dry leases the airplanes and MW pilots crew them. That is a RAH scope violation.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 455650)

The catch 22 here is that MEH management gets their way. They wanted the MEH pilots to fly for RJ wages and if that happens they will get what they want.
Most of the planes will have about as many seats at the 717'a did. Difference is that they will not be true first class seats and the pilots will be working for a lot less carrying the same amount of people. Talk about taking it in the coins. This just stinks.

They will be 76 seat aircraft and no different then if Skywest were to fly crj 700's for MW. I think if the pay rate is right the MW pilots should be happy to take the aircraft. There is no point in swinging your pecker that the E170 is "not good enough for me to fly". If they can get a good pay rate on it that would help a lot of regional carriers pick up the $$.

If we were all one union and I mean everyone this sort of crap would not go down. The problem is that we aren't and never will be, so until management starts caring more about employees instead of shareholders and bonus money this BS is going to exist.

If there were pay rates based on weight instead of seats then the companies would not be able to whip us around by pulling some seats off. Frankly I am not sure why they should not be at regional pay based on 88 seats, 'cause it says Boeing on the hood, that seems like a dumb idea to me. Pay by the pound would be better.

All the RAH pilots can do is abide by their contract, feed their families and pay their bills. I know the MW pilots are better people, better pilots and more deserving but... oh I'll stop there.

We are all in the same frickin boat and barely floating at that. Good luck to everyone. God Bless.

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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 456896)

If we were all one union and I mean everyone this sort of crap would not go down........

I know the MW pilots are better people, better pilots and more deserving but... oh I'll stop there.

We are all in the same frickin boat and barely floating at that. Good luck to everyone. God Bless.

Seems some contradiction in your post. "If we were all one union" followed by "...better people, better pilots..".
The latter attitude prevents the pre-supposition from ever happening.

I know several very good pilots flying various equipment (BE350 thru B767) for various companies. I wouldn't judge their skills, or quality as human beings using your metrics.

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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED (Post 456896)

The only thing the republic pilots can fight is if the company dry leases the airplanes and MW pilots crew them. That is a RAH scope violation.

They will be 76 seat aircraft and no different then if Skywest were to fly crj 700's for MW. I think if the pay rate is right the MW pilots should be happy to take the aircraft. There is no point in swinging your pecker that the E170 is "not good enough for me to fly". If they can get a good pay rate on it that would help a lot of regional carriers pick up the $$.

If we were all one union and I mean everyone this sort of crap would not go down. The problem is that we aren't and never will be, so until management starts caring more about employees instead of shareholders and bonus money this BS is going to exist.

If there were pay rates based on weight instead of seats then the companies would not be able to whip us around by pulling some seats off. Frankly I am not sure why they should not be at regional pay based on 88 seats, 'cause it says Boeing on the hood, that seems like a dumb idea to me. Pay by the pound would be better.

All the RAH pilots can do is abide by their contract, feed their families and pay their bills. I know the MW pilots are better people, better pilots and more deserving but... oh I'll stop there.

We are all in the same frickin boat and barely floating at that. Good luck to everyone. God Bless.

MW??? You mean YX right?

Anyhow, there are no shareholders that Midwest (I meanTPG/NWA management) mangement have to please as the airline was taken private 1 year ago. TPG/NWA had failed to do anything, not even drop a penny in the poor bucket until now. They have allowed their $500 Million, keep AirTran away fund, to fail because they don't really care.

As for giving the Midwest flight crews a fair deal to fly the EMB-170 is what YX management did back at the start of summer. They told them to accept a paycut of 45-65% which would pound them smack dab in the RJ pilot payscale. The Midwest crews have flat out told them screw you.

Wait, you want to stick our friendly outstanding YX crews with 88 seat RJ payscales because it was their fault they took the job??!! Midwest management is reponsible for the flying a 717 will 20 fewer seats than standard. Don't blame the crews one second!

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Originally Posted by mvndc10 (Post 456807)

I bet your really proud to be part of the same union as those "Replacement Pilot's".... Oh that's right you are going to be replaceing the DHL guy's.....:mad:

Strike 2, UPS pilots are not Teamsters, they're IPA.

Might want to calm down and get your facts straight.

I am sick of RJ's being flown for crap wages... They have become a cancer on the profession.