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Originally Posted by SC-7
(Post 484035)
This may not be the best place to ask this, but it's as good as any I guess.
Anyone feel like writing two paragraphs on the distinction between "jumpseating" and "non-revving" since the terms seem to be interchangeable for about 90% of the people I talk to, and the other 10% look at me like I'm a moron when I use them incorrectly? I ask because I was under the impression that no one does international offline "jumpseating" anymore, but based on the remarks here, now I'm wondering if this refers to the cockpit jumpseat only. The simplest distinction might be you (usually) have to pay to non-rev, while jumpseating is gratis. |
Originally Posted by SC-7
(Post 484035)
This may not be the best place to ask this, but it's as good as any I guess.
Anyone feel like writing two paragraphs on the distinction between "jumpseating" and "non-revving" since the terms seem to be interchangeable for about 90% of the people I talk to, and the other 10% look at me like I'm a moron when I use them incorrectly? Non-rev'ing is travel that is not for revenue. You are a passenger (your status as a professional pilot or the ability to access the flight deck as a jumpseater is irrelevant), and are accessing the cabin of the aircraft only, just as a revenue passenger would. Your access to the aircraft is granted not by the PIC, but rather by the airline - though, the PIC still maintains the final authority to remove you from the aircraft, as always. The gate agent controls this access (unlike jumpseating, where the PIC grants you access, not the airline through the gate agent). Generally, non-rev'ing is more expensive than jumpseating for many pilots b/c the airline charges you for all of the costs associated with carrying you (meals, amortized mx, crew costs, etc.), not just the taxes and fees associated with international travel (domestic fees are not charged to jumpseaters). So, why non-rev then? Non revenue passengers virtually always have a higher boarding priority than jumpseaters. If there's only 2 flightdeck jumpseats and 3 applicants for jumpseat access, the lowest priority jumpseater is often left behind - had they non-rev'd, they may have had a higher priority than the lowest priority non-rev, and thus got on the aircraft (due to the nature of DOH seniority, many passenger airline CA's have enough seniority to have some of the highest non-rev priority on their own airline - the difference between a first class seat in the cabin as a non-rev or a cramped seat in the flightdeck as a jumpseater on the same flight). Domestically, some airline's non-rev costs are paid in a one-time fee, so there's no financial loss to non-rev on your own airline. It is a bit confusing that both non-rev'ing and jumpseating pilots often end up in the cabin together, but the difference is the authority that granted them access to the aircraft, the PIC or the airline (and, as 'robthree' points out, how much they paid out of pocket for the seat). Hope this helps, rather than confuses the situation further. |
so nobody has stayed in Majuro?
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1) Cockpit Jump-seating is pretty much limited to flight crews and aircraft dispatchers. CASS is required for OAL personnel to actually ride in the cockpit j/s. Some airlines require CASS participation to get on the airplane at all. There is an program that allows international cockpit jump-seats, but it is pretty much limited to freight dawgs.
2) Flight attendants can jump-seat on FA jump-seats if there are any available. There are some airlines that allow OAL FAs to jump-seat, but 90% is own airline. 3) Usually, cabin seats are issued to jump-seaters if they are available. 4) All jump-seating is a form of non-revenue travel. 5) The majority of non-rev travel is by employees on passes, ID90s, ID50s, zone fares, etc. |
Originally Posted by Flyboyrw
(Post 491841)
so nobody has stayed in Majuro?
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Thanks!!!!!!!!
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Since talking about Continental Micronesia just curious how they are doing? Really don't hear that much about that side of Continental
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