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grant123 11-10-2008 08:19 PM

AMR Routes
 
Any rumors or information about AMR starting any new International routes? DBX, SYD, HKG??? Not until the 787 shows up??

stbloc 11-10-2008 08:52 PM

I could see HKG. With One World they will be able to stream passengers seamlessly between the US and Hong Kong. also most international growth is in Asia. I would bet you could see DFW-HKG.

7576FO 11-11-2008 02:41 AM

Nov 1 AA added Salvador de Bahia Brazil and also Recife Brazil. Flown out of Miami as a 3 day trip. All nighter to SSA then daytime thru REC to MIA.

MIA to MAD (Madrid) is now a 777 out of MIA from a 767. This MAy AA JFK resumed Barcelona and Milan.

Also MIA on Nov 1 resumed GND (Grenada) out of MIA.

MIA SCL will switch to a 777 and might run a 767 3-5 nights a week. And GRU (Sao Paulo Brazil) will switch to all 777 in Dec. 4 flights a day/night.

Our Airbus's are like STD's, some medications relieve the symptoms, but not a cure!
I don't think they're gonna park em' with fuel at 60-70.
I read somewhere that the Airbus' we lease are only 65K a month. I think that's cheap.

These are just some of the changes I know of. Our FA's always know more than the pilots here about new/changes to the schedules.

iaflyer 11-11-2008 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 496009)
I could see HKG. With One World they will be able to stream passengers seamlessly between the US and Hong Kong. also most international growth is in Asia. I would bet you could see DFW-HKG.

I don't see that happening - you can buy a ticket from HKG to DFW on American - the first leg is flown by Cathay Pacific but it has a AA flight number (code share obivously) but AA gets some of the revenue without any of the risk of filling a whole airplane.

aa73 11-11-2008 05:33 AM

We will be getting a couple of new Europe routes out of JFK in the next few years with 757s. Sounds like Nice, Lyon, Amsterdam and two German cities. Also look for MIA-BCN and possibly DFW-MAD. Nothing on the horizon yet for Asia/Middle East. They are adding new service very cautiously.

3wire 11-11-2008 07:40 AM

Any chance AA has any big plans to bring back furloughed pilots with the possibility of new added routes?

Wheels up 11-11-2008 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by 3wire (Post 496252)
Any chance AA has any big plans to bring back furloughed pilots with the possibility of new added routes?

No. Not even heard that hinted at. Lots of cogs in the machine in motion with an unknown number of retirements 1 Dec ("B" fund drops off the edge of the cliff after 1 Dec), a major violation of scope by the company with regards to the 7300 AA employed pilot floor, an economy that's nosediving, a feckless AA leadership, and the section 6 contract negotiations put at a virtual standstill by management.

My gut feeling is it's going to be a long long time before AA recalls again. I wish it wasn't so, but nobody has any faith whatsoever in the present management.

On the other hand, Delta will likely be hiring and their corporate leadership actually has a strategic future vision for the company.

slowplay 11-11-2008 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 496281)
On the other hand, Delta will likely be hiring and their corporate leadership actually has a strategic future vision for the company.

While it's expected in this industry for management to lack vision, how does APA stack up in that department? Are you satisfied that they're looking forward, or are they using the strategy and tactics of the past?

aa73 11-11-2008 08:47 AM

Actually, Wheels up, I can see AA starting recalls again by next spring. Especially since they are starting to make noises about not parking the 80s anymore. Just a gut feeling, your mileage may vary.

3wire 11-11-2008 02:03 PM

1 Dec
 
Regarding retirements, a recently retired AA Captain mentioned to me that there may be a couple hundred of retirements come Dec 1st. Is that possible? If so, how would that affect AA?

AAflyer 11-11-2008 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by aa73 (Post 496298)
Actually, Wheels up, I can see AA starting recalls again by next spring. Especially since they are starting to make noises about not parking the 80s anymore. Just a gut feeling, your mileage may vary.

Bingo,

The 80s make MONEY for AA below $100 a barrel, the fact where oil is today is leading much school house talk (I know, I know, school house talk) to the 80s not being parked, in fact some one said one was just taken out of storage.. Te latest from a few checkairman is the 80s will stay and 737s will replace some 757 flying, leaving the 757 to make headway to new destinations.

We also have a potentially large amount of pilots retiring Dec 1st.

If we do keep the 80s and take delivery of the 3 737 a month (now delayed till March with the strike) we could recall early this spring.

AAflyer

P.S. the latest was the Bus may not be parked as quickly as they originally planned..... Things change daily..... Stay tuned!

Smoke Toliet 11-18-2008 07:45 AM

With the violation of the 7300 floor does that require recalls if they go below it? Curious as to what that violation means?

aa73 11-18-2008 09:09 AM

The violation means that, technically, Eagle can cease to exist. Realistically, that will not happen, but nevertheless, the APA must use it as a major leverage tool as we "progress" through contract talks. As long as we are below that floor, AMR is violating our contract every day.

Wheels up 11-18-2008 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Smoke Toliet (Post 500987)
With the violation of the 7300 floor does that require recalls if they go below it? Curious as to what that violation means?

Recalls will not remedy the 7300 pilot floor since pilots added to the seniority list via merger and acquisition do not count. From here out, until you get to the very end of the furlough list, it's all TWA pilots which do not count towards the 7300 floor.

AMR is in the full "Screw you. Grieve it" mode.

ERJ135 11-18-2008 06:22 PM

Hopefully a couple thousand punch out on DEC 1st. Could you imagine that? It'll show them at Amron.:D

Sliceback 11-19-2008 08:41 AM

Couple of thousand? Obviously don't understand the retirement plan.

Most folks guessing 100-200.

Wednesday the 26th is the cutoff day due to office closing for the rest of the month.

ERJ135 11-19-2008 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 501777)
Couple of thousand? Obviously don't understand the retirement plan.

Most folks guessing 100-200.

Wednesday the 26th is the cutoff day due to office closing for the rest of the month.

I was joking.....

cfii2007 11-19-2008 03:40 PM

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IndyAir Guy 11-20-2008 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 496009)
I could see HKG. With One World they will be able to stream passengers seamlessly between the US and Hong Kong. also most international growth is in Asia. I would bet you could see DFW-HKG.

Cathay already streams passenger seamlessly between US and Hong Kong and is very protective about its little island. With 15 flights a day I think there is enough capacity. However we dont service DFW so that could be a possibility. CX was going to start a freighter base in TX so that would create so synergy.

X Rated 11-22-2008 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by ERJ135 (Post 501854)
I was joking.....

I wouldn't be...a couple of thousand wouldn't be enough in my opinion.

X


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