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Deez340 11-13-2008 02:14 PM

French Pilots get Age 65 Right!!!
 
ALPA sold its membership down the river while the French get it right. It's like bizaro world.

National Pilots' Strike from 14 to 17 November 2008
French airline pilots? unions have unanimously called a four-day strike from Friday 14 November at one minute past midnight to Monday 17 November at midnight, to protest against changes to the retirement age currently under discussion in the French Parliament (changing from 60 to 65).
Air France is expecting very severe disruptions to its operations. As things stand, the approximate estimation for Air France for Friday 14 November is the cancellation of half its long-haul flights from Paris and the same for medium-haul flights. More cancellations to long-haul flights are expected as the strike progresses.
Information will be updated as the situations evolves.

NavyAACAL 11-13-2008 03:47 PM

If this is true then I usually don't have positive things to say about the French but where you agree or disagree on the age "60" rule they are fighting while the good ole US is in surrender.

rickair7777 11-13-2008 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by NavyAACAL (Post 498227)
If this is true then I usually don't have positive things to say about the French but where you agree or disagree on the age "60" rule they are fighting while the good ole US is in surrender.

Surrender??? that's when you fold in the face of seemingly insurmountable opposition.

Although the membership wanted to fight, ALPA leadership didn't surrender... they unlocked the back gate and let them in during the dead of night! There's another word for that sort of behavior.

Phantom Flyer 11-13-2008 04:05 PM

Spot on
 
Right on Rickair7777 !!

In fact, ALPO even provided maps, flashlights and offered moving vans so that management could take whatever they wanted.

Well stated Mate !:)

slowplay 11-13-2008 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 498180)
ALPA sold its membership down the river while the French get it right. It's like bizaro world.

National Pilots' Strike from 14 to 17 November 2008
French airline pilots? unions have unanimously called a four-day strike from Friday 14 November at one minute past midnight to Monday 17 November at midnight, to protest against changes to the retirement age currently under discussion in the French Parliament (changing from 60 to 65).
Air France is expecting very severe disruptions to its operations. As things stand, the approximate estimation for Air France for Friday 14 November is the cancellation of half its long-haul flights from Paris and the same for medium-haul flights. More cancellations to long-haul flights are expected as the strike progresses.
Information will be updated as the situations evolves.

I think you're missing the point. They're not worried about flying to age 65, they don't oppose that. They oppose their retirement age (meaning full benefit commencement date) being changed to age 65...

Age 65 got let out by ICAO rule changes (in which European governments were big instigators). But it's nice to bash ALPA...

Busboy 11-13-2008 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 498323)
I think you're missing the point. They're not worried about flying to age 65, they don't oppose that. They oppose their retirement age (meaning full benefit commencement date) being changed to age 65...

Age 65 got let out by ICAO rule changes (in which European governments were big instigators). But it's nice to bash ALPA...

Actually, I believe the French never did sign on to the ICAO rule change. Last I heard, they were one of the few countries remaining, that still only fly to 60.

I think it was Italy and Portugal that also passed on the rule change. And, Hungary said age 62.

LeftWing 11-13-2008 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by NavyAACAL (Post 498227)
If this is true then I usually don't have positive things to say about the French but where you agree or disagree on the age "60" rule they are fighting while the good ole US is in surrender.

How pathetic. You usually don't have positive things to say about an entire country????

Whatever.

Godzilla 11-13-2008 10:09 PM

In fact, ALPO even provided maps, flashlights and offered moving vans so that management could take whatever they wanted.

Great post!

Prater said he would be against any change to age 60 when taking office then he turned around a few short months later and lobbied for it on Capital Hill.
The word LIAR comes to my mind.

If you expect ALPA national to do anything to help you career you have a sad surprise coming.

John Pennekamp 11-14-2008 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 498180)
ALPA sold its membership down the river while the French get it right. It's like bizaro world.

He He He Ho Ho Ho! Ve vill show you laaaazy American Pig Piloooots! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster, your father stank of elderberries!

757upspilot 11-14-2008 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 498323)
I think you're missing the point. They're not worried about flying to age 65, they don't oppose that. They oppose their retirement age (meaning full benefit commencement date) being changed to age 65...

Age 65 got let out by ICAO rule changes (in which European governments were big instigators). But it's nice to bash ALPA...

Something that only pilots with defined benefit plans need to understand.
AA, FDX, CAL, and UPS. Maintaining 60 as the normal retirement age allows you to leave at 60 without penalty.
Definetly worth striking over.


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