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buzzpat 11-29-2008 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 508322)
Which publications and what venues? ...and what are your credentials on this subject?

Ps. I'm not questioning your knowledge, I'm simply interested.

Thanks.

Three books, two of them best-sellers. 20 years in the USAF and military aide for Pres Clinton. I speak a lot on college campuses and also to political groups. Private e-mail me and I'll send you the details.

Thanks for asking.

YAKflyer 11-29-2008 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 508314)
The poverty of places like Mumbai, Dehli and elsewhere feeds young men and women into the pipelines where radical groups like Al Qaeda recruit.

While I agree with a lot of your post, having seen the poverty on the street in Mumbai, I do not think those stuck at the very bottom levels have the street savvy to be effective in the same way as the extremists that attacked Mumbai. They may be dissatisfied, but in the hierarchy of needs I don't think they can focus on political change.......they are in survival mode. I think those who fit into the mold of the Mumbai attackers may be very poor, but have to have some education to be able to do the thought process necessary to participate in a quasi military assault.

BTW I read your book and I think we are much better off than if her majesty had been elected......I have a disconnect with folks that are that elite full of themselves.

buzzpat 11-29-2008 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by YAKflyer (Post 508374)
While I agree with a lot of your post, having seen the poverty on the street in Mumbai, I do not think those stuck at the very bottom levels have the street savvy to be effective in the same way as the extremists that attacked Mumbai. They may be dissatisfied, but in the hierarchy of needs I don't think they can focus on political change.......they are in survival mode. I think those who fit into the mold of the Mumbai attackers may be very poor, but have to have some education to be able to do the thought process necessary to participate in a quasi military assault.

BTW I read your book and I think we are much better off than if her majesty had been elected......I have a disconnect with folks that are that elite full of themselves.

I fully agree that most terrorists are not poor, uneducated and displaced peoples. My point is that the smarter, technologically-adept and financed extremists recruit those that are less-blessed to carry out the attacks. The Al Qaeda network, and their associates, are very intelligent, well-educated, and well-financed. They have cells in over 80 countries. They do the training, the logistics, and the planning. Their dupes do the grunt work and pop off the attacks.

Our nation, our economy and our industry cannot and will not prosper until this blight goes away. The way (in my opinion) it goes away is that the free world addresses it and eliminates it. I understand that's an over-arching and stereotyical response but my point is this: our economy, our security and, certainly, our airline industry is entwined. If we suffer terror attacks on the scale of 9/11, or even on the Mumbai level, we all lose. TSA is not the answer. Our due diligence in the cockpit helps, but is not the answer. A national understanding of the threat and willingness to address the threat is the answer.

Box Office 11-30-2008 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 508333)
Three books, two of them best-sellers. 20 years in the USAF and military aide for Pres Clinton. I speak a lot on college campuses and also to political groups. Private e-mail me and I'll send you the details.

Thanks for asking.


Was one of them "Deriliction of Duty?" I picked that up at an ATA conference and few years back and the author was signing them.

River6 11-30-2008 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Box Office (Post 508797)
Was one of them "Deriliction of Duty?" I picked that up at an ATA conference and few years back and the author was signing them.

That is a excellent read. I have that book and it's still on my book shelf here at the house. Recommend to anyone who is interested in knowing the real story to read it. It's interesting in his book he talks about the time they had Bin Laden spotted with a Predetor Drone I believe, and that "bubba" would not give the kill order. A few years, later I was watching NBC "National Broadcasting Station for Communism" when they ran a clip and story about Bid Laden being tracked in the desert with a drone. The next day, the Pentagon siezed that tape from NBC. I'm not sure how that clip or story got leaked but it did, and I first read about it in Buzz Patterson's book "Deriliction of Duty. Very good informative book.

buzzpat 11-30-2008 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Box Office (Post 508797)
Was one of them "Deriliction of Duty?" I picked that up at an ATA conference and few years back and the author was signing them.

Yep, that was me and my first. I've written two since then. Reckless Disregard and War Crimes, which both build on "Dereliction of Duty."

Thanks for picking it up!

buzzpat 11-30-2008 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by River6 (Post 508802)
That is a excellent read. I have that book and it's still on my book shelf here at the house. Recommend to anyone who is interested in knowing the real story to read it. It's interesting in his book he talks about the time they had Bin Laden spotted with a Predetor Drone I believe, and that "bubba" would not give the kill order. A few years, later I was watching NBC "National Broadcasting Station for Communism" when they ran a clip and story about Bid Laden being tracked in the desert with a drone. The next day, the Pentagon siezed that tape from NBC. I'm not sure how that clip or story got leaked but it did, and I first read about it in Buzz Patterson's book "Deriliction of Duty. Very good informative book.

Thanks River6 for the kind words and for reading the book.

Buzz

newarkblows 11-30-2008 06:37 PM

arming flight crews internationally and letting them bring their weapons to the hotel could start being tossed around or at least give the cause some steam. Even if it was a few select countries.

Hopefully this gets rid of red tape instead of magnify old problems

P-51D 11-30-2008 06:49 PM

Well...All Crews are SAFE!
Here is what I heard from the NWA "Delta Crew"

-They were just about to get on the crew shuttle out to the airport when gunfire erupted. They quickly fled the scene to some nearby shelter.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 11-30-2008 11:10 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 508333)
Three books, two of them best-sellers. 20 years in the USAF and military aide for Pres Clinton. I speak a lot on college campuses and also to political groups. Private e-mail me and I'll send you the details.

Thanks for asking.

Ooops, sorry missed your earlier reply. PM on the way...


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