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BlaineFaban 12-08-2008 07:27 PM

it's out
 
It's out now

2Co2Fur1EXwife 12-08-2008 08:02 PM

What are you talking about?

RockyBoy 12-08-2008 08:02 PM

Looks like Delta won.

cactiboss 12-08-2008 08:05 PM

Delta didn't win anything, it went relative position with 5 year fences on the heavies. Very similar to the awa/us list.

PackTrip 12-08-2008 08:05 PM

December 8, 2008
Dear Fellow Pilot,
Late this evening, the SLI Arbitration Panel issued its Award and written opinion in support of the Award for the integration of the Delta and Northwest pre-merger seniority lists into a single integrated list. The Award is constructed on the foundation of a “ratioed status and category” methodology with a rational treatment for the minor attrition differences that exist between the two pilot groups. The Award and written opinion are now posted and available for download on the Delta MEC website at Public.
The Award is effective immediately and will be presented to Delta as the final integrated seniority list under Section 1 D. 8. b. of the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement. It will be defended and enforced by the Air Line Pilots Association as an award under ALPA Merger Policy. Under ALPA Merger Policy and the terms of the SLI Process Agreement, the Award is final and binding on the Delta MEC, the Northwest MEC and the Association.
As you may recall, the SLI Process Agreement was entered into by the Northwest MEC and the Delta MEC in June with the agreement and approval of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, to establish a process for the integration of the pilot seniority lists at Northwest Airlines and Delta Air Lines in connection with the merger of the two carriers. As permitted under ALPA Merger Policy, the Process Agreement provided an alternative, and I believe a far superior alternative, to the traditional seniority list integration process.
It was a fair and equitable process, and by extension, the resulting Award is a fair and equitable Award.
Soon, the Delta MEC Merger Committee will provide you with the first in a series of Delta Merger Committee Updates designed to provide you with additional information about the SLI process, the Award methodology, the Panel’s written opinion and the Conditions and Restrictions (including what are commonly referred to as “fences”) that are a part of the Award.
Over the past three years, the Delta pilots have successfully navigated through a career- altering bankruptcy while retaining our work rules and other crucial features of our collective bargaining agreement. We have played a key role in defeating the hostile takeover of Delta by US Airways, and stood up to a self-proclaimed renegade hedge fund that tried to forcefully commandeer Delta’s future for its own short-term financial gain. In short, we had made ourselves relevant in an industry where labor concerns are often an afterthought.
We then continued to assert that relevance by doing what had never been done before in any airline merger—participating at the front end of the merger between Delta and Northwest not only as pilot labor, but as active stakeholders. We supported the merger because, unlike recent past attempts, the merger between Delta and Northwest was the “right” merger; a merger that involved the pilots from the earliest formative stages of the process, that provides meaningful protections and added value for our participation as stakeholders in the process, and that most importantly has already begun to produce an even stronger and growing airline that will vigorously and successfully compete in the domestic and international marketplace.
The merger has closed, and the Delta pilot group is now the largest pilot group in the world operating under one collective bargaining agreement and integrated under a single seniority list. The corporation will continue to focus on the operational merging of the two airlines which will not be complete until the FAA issues a Single Operating Certificate. For our part, the next step in the integration process will be the orderly merger of the two MECs and the transition to a single MEC administration. It is our goal that this transition will occur in a smooth and timely fashion early in the New Year.
Following that, our history will continue to be ours to write. We must continue to pilot our way to every opportunity, a goal that can only be achieved with the unity, resolve and relentless determination made possible by the 12,434 pilots of Delta Air Lines.
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Fraternally,
Lee Moak, Chairman
Delta MEC

RockyBoy 12-08-2008 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 514517)
Delta didn't win anything, it went relative position with 5 year fences on the heavies. Very similar to the awa/us list.

OK, that did sound a little different than what I meant. I should have said it looks like it went much closer to what DAL proposed than to what NWA proposed. Your right, we didn't win anything, we just got closer to what we proposed.

Justdoinmyjob 12-08-2008 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 514517)
Delta didn't win anything, it went relative position with 5 year fences on the heavies. Very similar to the awa/us list.

Not all heavies. A330, 767-400, 767, and 767ER are not fenced.

PackTrip 12-08-2008 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 514517)
Delta didn't win anything, it went relative position with 5 year fences on the heavies. Very similar to the awa/us list.

Exactly.

And they treated all the 757's and 767's and A330's and 747's and 777's as Ultra Super Duper Premium Widebody for both carriers. :p

PackTrip 12-08-2008 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 514536)
Not all heavies. A330, 767-400, 767, and 767ER are not fenced.


Zactly.

777/747/787 are the only ones fenced - for 5 years from SOC. And you can still fly it if the slots are not totally filled by that carriers pilots.

cactiboss 12-08-2008 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 514535)
OK, that did sound a little different than what I meant. I should have said it looks like it went much closer to what DAL proposed than to what NWA proposed. Your right, we didn't win anything, we just got closer to what we proposed.

Yeah you don't want to use words like "won". You guys put this behind you and fight the real enemy, the company.


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