DAL-already called for 88 training
 

Got a call from crew resources. Going from ATLERB to ATLM88B. Training startes Feb 27. That was quick. They haven't even put out a conversion list yet!!

They are picking people that can go now!
Then the contractual list will come out. Plus they can convert starting in Feb!

How do they determine who can go now?

It is probably the same people that would go with this list is published. It just so happens that the conversion list may not be out for a few days and they want to make sure that they abide by the contractual notice for these pilots.

I have CQ coming up soon, maybe I won't need to study afterall... Maybe they'll even let me sit home with pay for couple months this time? probably not...

When do you think the conversion list will come out? sometime this week?

I would assume later this week. But it could be next.

There are guys that get to sit at home with full pay. I would venture to guess that with a 12 month conversion that may not be the case with this one. The only hope is for the guys and gals going to the ER. Maybe they will have a backlog of TOE. It looks like they already have about 232 to do with the ER in CVG so they are starting with a backlog!

Thanks ACL. Gotta start planning on moving out, finding a new place to live, the joy of a commuter:)

RVR - where'd you get displaced from / to, if you don't mind my asking?

I was given training for the 27th and I have ER recurrent on feb 9 and 10. Do I have to go to recurrent?

beer,

Short answer.......yes.......if it is on your schedule you need to go. That being said call training planning and see if you can get out of it. Your right, it does not make any sense. If you are not in your last month, at least see if they can delay it a month and make it irrelevent. But, bottom line, if it's on your schedule, you need to go. I know it doesn't make any sense, but you will need to get used to that feeling!!!!:D

Denny

I'm awarded primary vacation in coming April, and I've checked the "No" box on my displacement choice for retaining vacation in ecrew. Is there a way to move that week to someplace else? I'm being MD, so I know i won't have to re-bid my vacation.

Thanks.

FWIW, I just checked and they automatically will pull you from recurrent, according to planning.

They say that but the guy I just went through recurrent with is MDed from the 767 to the 88 and they told him that he had to go.
See we have a 12 month conversion, so unless you are in the first wave of 88 training I would be surprised to see them pull you.

Rebidding vacation should some out shortly. It could get interesting with all of the vacation no being awarded yet.

I thought all qualification training had to be put on your line by the 5th of the month prior and once you were awarded a line or reserve line then you couldn't be put into training without your consent. If in doubt call the union. From section 23:

Section 23 - Scheduling
B. Timing of Scheduling Events
1. Current Month Events Affecting Subsequent Bid Period Scheduling
Day of Calendar Month Event
Before the first day of the bid period prior to the bid period in which a pilot may be scheduled for CQ
Pilot designates CQ Golden Day preference
Pilot advises Crew Resources (via DBMS) of training unavailability in subsequent bid period
On the 1st
Vacation move-ups close
On or before the 5th
Bid packages distributed electronically
Vacation move-ups posted
Qualification training posted
CQ training posted
Asterisk rotation changes postedBefore 0800E on the 12th
On the 12th @ 0800E
Pilot advises Crew Scheduling of known absence (e.g., MLOA, scheduled accident leave, scheduled sick leave) in subsequent bid period
Line bidding closes
On or before the 17th @ 1800E
FAR and PWA time and duty adjustments completed (line adjustment)
Adjusted lines made available for viewing in DBMS
On the 18th @ 1800E
(and through the end of bid period at all PCS run times from table in Section 23 B. 2.)
Daily next bid period PCS process begins
On or before the last day of the bid period
Deadline for submitting bank transactions
- 200

How you feeling?

Although it's been over a year, and things may have changed, I had 73NB recurrent, followed less than 3 weeks later by M88A initial. When I asked if I could get out of it, I was told no because I was in my "grace" month (3rd month of my window). Maybe better luck if in "prior" month or "due" month?

Beer and several of us are in the base month so we'll see what they do. They just had told me that they had several future 88 guys to be removed from ER recurrent today, however, I could see why the company might not want to do that just in case things change. We'll see. His words were we don't want to send you to training on two aircraft.

Yes, you look a little pale and will most likely be for about 3 weeks.

I was told that the training planner was going to drop my ER recurrent. Feb is my base month so I guess they can waive the recurrent. I was MD'd to the 88 with my choice to displace me if I can hold a regular line. Anyone know the parameters that measure if I can hold a regular line? I am about 83% in the M88B. If I get out of 88 training and cant hold a line, it would really suck. Anyone else get a call from crew resources and given 88 training for feb 27th? Seeya there!!!

Typical most junior line is around 85-87%..depending. So you should be in good shape.

Cough, Cough!!! Hack, Hack!!!

I noticed that the M88 training for the first few displaced guys... beer... is on a Friday. Just intrigued, figured classes would generally start on a Monday.

Only new hire classes always start on a friday. For guys already here, you start on any date that matches up with your sim schedule.

I agree. You don't look so good.
There is a nasty virus that's been going around.
Looks like you may have caught it.
I hate it when that happens.
Training on 2 different airplanes in one month is such fun.

But as they say, it's legal!

We kid around about calling in sick and how ridiculous it is for someone to have recurrent on one jet and then start initial on a different jet two weeks later but I think he could actually make a legitimate "safety" argument here.
I know there are lots of pilots qualified on multiple airplanes and they do it with no problems but there's got to be some degradation of knowledge retention involved. Limitations, procedures, etc.
Seems like a common sense rule should apply. It would benefit the company as well. Regarding costs and quality of training.
Maybe a 30 day rule.
Just a thought.

I agree, but as I said they will say it is legal per the PWA.

I have been qualified on two different fleets, it sucks and you do mess things up. You need to keep in the books all of the time. The question is how good can you brain dump your current jet for the next one?

I am sure that are expecting a lot of extra sim periods this time around. Too many people doing the short course.

Just think of all the CA displaced to FO, having to learn how to talk on the radio on the ground, reading the before start check, the walkarounds... Oh, the humanity!

BTW, still hoping for the training schedule to be out by these few days. Maybe I get to eat my precious crew meals for one more month:) It'll be tough to live only on biscoff and m&m again.

Beer's schedule no longer shows 767 recurrent, just M88 training. So his was dropped. Mine doesn't show my February recurrent dropped, I have vacation coming up at the end of February and that might be messing it up as I am right close to Beer in seniority but he is scheduled at the end of February to start.

If I do have to go to 767 recurrent then I'm just going to act like a pretentious actor... "whats my motivation here people? What's my motivation?!"

Beer, isn't that a VD and not an MD? I only ask that as VD's start training before MD's and MD's start in inverse seniority order according to the contract.

My MD was 88 line holder. I was MD'd. I was able to get out of ER recurent. I guess because I was free at the end of Feb., they gave me the class. Training is exactly 4 weeks and I should be done at the end of march...just in time as the LOA expires. Hello greenslips!!!! I hope

Maybe depends on how quick they train people....

When are they going to post the projected training schedule?

OK .... Here it is:

Delta Projected Training 1/16/09 Bid Award

My sincere apologies to Fox news fans.

Not again!

It should be out by the end of the week. Or at least that was the goal as of the start of the week.

Oh' it's different, believe me