Handwriting on wall for Virgin America?
02-02-2009 | 06:49 AM
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Cathay Pacific one of the highest paid airlines re-sets your pay when you upgrade. I dont think its lowering the bar at all, it just depends on what 1st year pay is. Its a European things, thanks Sir Richard.
02-02-2009 | 07:28 AM
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02-02-2009 | 07:54 AM
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Not true. Has to be approved by each MEC of each airline you have JS on. And no, I'm not a fan of giving the JS to carriers that are non-union and have contributed to the lowering of pay scales, however the counter argument is there may be former ALPA pilots working there.
Start up companies are going to have non union workers, that is inevitable. At one point SWA was non union, so was DAL, NWA. So what do you suggest those pilots do while they are trying ot organize? Maybe you should try to spread the word instead of tainting it.
02-02-2009 | 08:04 AM
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Not at Virgin America, unless it's changed since they started up.
It is interesting that most of the diatribe that is posted as "fact", is generally b.s.... From the above issue to load factors, from finance to QOL issues. Most of the info is available through published interviews with their CEO over the past year... Although actually looking up facts would probably spoil the entertainment value that some seem to get, by hoping for the ill will of others.
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02-02-2009 | 08:08 AM
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From: Left, left, left right left....
What is MEC?
Start up companies are going to have non union workers, that is inevitable. At one point SWA was non union, so was DAL, NWA. So what do you suggest those pilots do while they are trying ot organize? Maybe you should try to spread the word instead of tainting it.
Start up companies are going to have non union workers, that is inevitable. At one point SWA was non union, so was DAL, NWA. So what do you suggest those pilots do while they are trying ot organize? Maybe you should try to spread the word instead of tainting it.
I do not see VA as a future SWA or anything else - the work rules and pay are another blight, hopefully eradicated, on our profession. Yet we still give you the JS, which is not a "right", but a privilege.
02-02-2009 | 09:11 AM
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It has changed.
It is interesting that most of the diatribe that is posted as "fact", is generally b.s.... From the above issue to load factors, from finance to QOL issues. Most of the info is available through published interviews with their CEO over the past year... Although actually looking up facts would probably spoil the entertainment value that some seem to get, by hoping for the ill will of others.
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It is interesting that most of the diatribe that is posted as "fact", is generally b.s.... From the above issue to load factors, from finance to QOL issues. Most of the info is available through published interviews with their CEO over the past year... Although actually looking up facts would probably spoil the entertainment value that some seem to get, by hoping for the ill will of others.
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After editing my post I did some research. I did find that the Longevity now carries over to the left seat. The pay still needs massive improvement. I'll make more on my 2 yr pay then a 6 yr VA FO.
In regards to the load factors, I cannot comment because I don't know. I did see that VA is scheduled to take deliveries this year, but I don't know if the economic downturn will effect that. I suspect it will.
I don't wish ill-will on the VA employees, but I CANNOT support the horrible wages, nor a company which was created by RB. I'm sure he would LOVE to get his paws on the US market,(he basically has) and I will not support cabatoge.
Please note that I don't consider VA cabatoge. I just won't support an airline created by a foriegn owner who most likely will attempt to further expend his company in the USA.
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02-02-2009 | 09:14 AM
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You are confusing freedom of speech. Introducing that we somehow have a "right" or "entitlement" to an opinion is a red herring that is irrelevant to solving the problem and adds nothing to the process. It's false logic. Having a "right" to an opinion does not make that opinion right - or wrong. Asserting the existence of the right is a failure to provide any justification for the opinion -it's a cheap way of forfeiting an argument without conceding defeat.
Just wanted to break the ice a little
But he is right.
02-02-2009 | 09:57 AM
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Good point. Still, I have a right to my opinion and management has a right to terminate my employment or, since this forum is also part of a business, moderators have a right to toss me.
02-02-2009 | 10:00 AM
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Anyone here wear America's jeans, Levis? Anyone know how many Levis factories are left in the United States? As long as pilots keep fighting each other, our day will come too and it won't be pretty.
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