Here'in lie's the problem
 

Airlines slash fares to fill empty seats - MSN Money
How low can they go ?

One of the best, most succinct synopsis of the situation I've seen in many months.

Now, if we can just convince more pilots to realize these truths, perhaps we can also convince them a stronger national union will do more to protect their jobs than several unions working in competition with each other.

I'm all for a stronger national union. Just tell me which majors would like to merge seniority lists with their wholly owned subsidiary collegues?

(excluding Delta/Compass)

I understand this is a start but until one union stands for one contract with one airline, a stronger national union is about as likely as a re-regulated industry.

Not any come to mind. Instead of going to the whole hog all at once, maybe we can work ourselves into it. Stronger agreements among all the pilot unions on minimum levels for pay, benefits and work rules would be a start.

I know it would cost money in the short term, but I wonder how productive it would be to have ALPA take multiple companies' contracts to the table at once, hammer out the details where all is the same everywhere and then take it in front of a judge for a declaratory judgement on the details that management would want to manipulate just to insure that they couldn't.

I know this has never been done before but we ARE looking for better answers than status quo.

Just thinking out loud.

Shouldn't be a problem for any larger union. Contracts are budgeted. The big money problems come into play if a group strikes. Pilots in negotiation are still paying dues and financially supporting their union.

The most sad thing about all this problem...
 

is the none in this site is wheeling to come out with an answer and speak up to those big main line pilot shame on all of you. Everyone here is scared to loose their jobs. Am I wrong? I don't think so, so many ideas but not actions as a pilot group we are worse then most unions out there lets for once united as professional pilots.

YES TO THE ONE AND ONLY ONE NATIONAL UNION OF PILOTS !

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YES WE CAN.

Nationalised Union
 

Nationalize a pilot union!

Other unions restrict the production of new workers by creating artificial training and experience requirements prior to entry. I vote that we create a new organization that requires pilots to have an ATP prior to entry. Pilots would have a 6 month window to apply and that seniority is issued in order of the date of when you got your ATP. After that new members are placed in order of when they applied.

Once established no pilot can get hired at a union airline unless they have met the requirements and have joined up. There could be a stiff annual fee to retain membership and dues of course would follow once employed at an airline. Nationally pilots could then switch companies and retain their seniority no matter where they go.

During slow times airlines would be forced to furlough from the bottom of the national seniority list. Pilots at the majors would be eligible to take jobs from regional guys in order of seniority and so on. Wages would be nationalized. A pilot at a major would hardly make more than a pilot at a regional with the pay scale being based upon the national seniority list.

It would be great !!! Lets do it.

Skyhigh

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/un...rity-list.html

This is a post I started a little while ago that would possibly be another option to the national seniority list that would accomplish many of the same objectives. It would also adapt to the fact that we are no longer a regulated industry. This is just ideas that I am not personally divested in. Just wanted to throw them out as food for thought.

Re-regulation would help with many things for airline employees but would hurt the people of this country overall. I am very much for us improving our quality of life. However, I do think we should push hard for reasonable pay based on our qualifications and responsibility rather than on what it used to be. That is, no airline pilot should make less than $50,000/year but the high end of the regulation era pay is not appropriate.

I do hope you are being sarcastic... What's the next step? Ending each radio call with 'comrade'?

It sure would suck to be one of those FO's who don't meet your ATP mins, especially those that are say 21 with 4,000 hours but unable to meet your lofty goal of everyone having an ATP, essentially kicking them out of their job that they have worked hard for.