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I don’t know what AMR really wants because I am a AE pilot not top management. I do think AE and all the other subsidiary companies that AMR own are used to hide money. AMR is in business to make a profit. If a key part of the business was not making money it would be changed or shut down.
That may be the future of Eagle. But I also don’t think Eagle will get any new airplanes until the APA contract is finished. Why would AMR buy “fast efficient Q400’s” when they can try to get E-190’s out of APA. I do think AMR, AA, and AE will change when APA is finished with the next contract. It is up to AA pilots (APA) on how that will be done. Don’t GIVE UP SCOPE!!! On a second note… I would love to have an AA AE staple but would also be ecstatic for an AE preferential hiring at AA. That way you would weed out all the eaglefly’s. I shouldn’t be wishing for things on your contract! Good luck guys! Don’t give up scope! Max |
Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed
(Post 591056)
I would love to have an AA AE staple but would also be ecstatic for an AE preferential hiring at AA. That way you would weed out all the eaglefly’s.
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I understand what you’re saying. The sad truth is we are flight AA routes. Nevertheless AE pilots did not get this flying because we are willing to work for less. AA pilots (APA) gave them (scope) up to protect pay and pension. Who made the mistake? We both did. For our industry to change for the better long term we both need to make sacrifices.
I cannot ask APA to take back AE flying improving my pay and work rules. Then expect APA to make the sacrifices for me. It’s sad to say if we AE and AA want to improve the airlines and the industry we are both going to bleed. I am sorry if you disagree but that’s what this forum is all about. I am willing to take a short term beating to protect the industry for the CFI’s, future FO’s and long term myself. Weird… It’s like I am not a pilot … |
Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed
(Post 591056)
That may be the future of Eagle. But I also don’t think Eagle will get any new airplanes until the APA contract is finished. Why would AMR buy “fast efficient Q400’s” when they can try to get E-190’s out of APA.
I do think AMR, AA, and AE will change when APA is finished with the next contract. It is up to AA pilots (APA) on how that will be done. Don’t GIVE UP SCOPE!!! On a second note… I would love to have an AA AE staple but would also be ecstatic for an AE preferential hiring at AA. That way you would weed out all the eaglefly’s. I shouldn’t be wishing for things on your contract! Good luck guys! Don’t give up scope! Max As far as a staple or any other integration, I can't see that happening ever. There's still a very big number of AA pilots on furlough and I can't see them being bypassed in favor of AE pilots when the flying AE does is permitted is by exception to the APAs scope. As far as preferential hiring, AMR isn't going to go for that because it limits their flexibility to hire perhaps more experienced civil and military pilots when available and doubles training costs (cost of replacing an AE flowup). We saw how absurd the flow-thru program deteriorated into with just a trickle of flow-thrus allowed by AMR. A lot hinges on this next contract. I think it will either be the turning point to the good for the profession, or the defeat of the concept of the professional pilot. |
July 09' will be 6 years of furlough from my friends at AMR.
I was a 1995 TWA hire with probably 1000 names behind me on furlough. FF |
It has been more than seven years for me. When it's all said and done, it will very likely be a ten year furlough as I don't expect to get recalled for another three or four years - about the time the old geezers finally begin retiring at age 65.
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
(Post 589766)
Divorce mediators are monitored (graded) by the courts in their success rates. If they do not have a high %age of success in out of court settlements, then they less likely to be assigned work by the courts. Florida requires court ordered mediation for divorce before court date.
My wife is a Florida Supreme Court Mediator and does Divorces all the time. There is no 'grading' system, formal or informal, in Florida. Cases are assigned to Court Appointed mediators on a round robin basis or you can hire a private mediator. Reaching an impasse is no big deal. |
Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed
(Post 591056)
On a second note…
I would love to have an AA AE staple but would also be ecstatic for an AE preferential hiring at AA. That way you would weed out all the eaglefly’s. I shouldn’t be wishing for things on your contract! Good luck guys! Don’t give up scope! Max Please contact CFR on 122.87, for your evacuation instructions. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 591633)
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but once again you've missed the high-speed turnoff and have rolled into the grass. You failed to consider that most of the "eaglefly's" ALREADY have AA seniority numbers, so no plucking for them.
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Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
(Post 591973)
Proof that the "flow-through" was a failure. We get stuck with guys like Eaglefly that couldn't pass an interview at any major because of obvious "social deficiencies."
Bad for AA, but good for Delta who had a psych test.........that you (come on now.........BE HONEST !) apparently failed miserably. My guess is the Rorschach (ink blot) test was your downfall there, when they pulled you aside to take it. When every ink blot is an evil Eagle pilot, it sends a pretty clear message and I'm sure they picked up on it. I'll bet many of your current captains are tired of sitting there, flying along in cruise, listening to you whine that your salisbury steak looks like this one Eagle pilot you knew and the mashed potatoes remind you of another "Eaglejerk" you talked too. I don't know why you're worried about upgrade or retirement as my money says you'll blow your brains out long before either occur. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
(Post 591973)
Proof that the "flow-through" was a failure. We get stuck with guys like Eaglefly that couldn't pass an interview at any major because of obvious "social deficiencies."
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What about this former American Eagle pilot from several years ago?
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday. |
...When asked how neighbor Dorene Phillips knew her that a pilot was causing the disturbance, she replied...
"Well, he was naked except for a big wristwatch, he had a small penis, and my morning paper was gone off my doorstep..." |
Originally Posted by MAXforwardspeed
(Post 592020)
To be fair phlying phallus not all are like eaglefly. Yes if you have a flow though flow back you get everyone. My guess is you have a few on your end as well. The focus should be on the future a staple would be nice but have AA pilots doing all interviews.
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That puts the "hey, do you mind if I grab a short nap" question in a whole new light.
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Originally Posted by Hoss
(Post 592032)
What about this former American Eagle pilot from several years ago?
Pilot Arrested For Bizarre Behavior In Front Of His Home A local pilot for American Airlines was in trouble with the law Monday after neighbors in his upscale neighborhood complained about his bizarre behavior. 47 year-old XXX XXXXXXX has been a highly-regarded pilot for American Airlines. Neighbors like Dorene Phillips said XXXXXXX is a family man and a hard-working professional, and said they were stunned to learn of XXXXXXX arrest. Wilson County Sheriff's Deputies arrested XXXXXXX Friday and charged him with performing lewd and obscene acts while naked, in broad daylight, and in front of his home. In the police report, a neighbor reported XXXXXXX fondled himself on his front lawn 25 times over the past year. The neighbor videotaped XXXXXXX during the act as proof of the allegations. Investigators said the neighbor made the tape fearing no one would believe her without it. After viewing the video, the sheriff alerted American Airlines. XXXXXXX was then grounded and sent back from a flight to face charges. Phillips said she never saw XXXXXXX expose himself in public, but felt the allegations were a concern, especially with children in the quiet neighborhood. Phillips said she's did talk with XXXXXXX after his arrest. She says XXXXXXX told her he's couldn't believe he was arrested, and insisted he had no memory of what happened. Phillips said, “In my mind, he may have been sleep walking and didn't realize these things were going on.” Investigators wouldn't comment on specifics of the investigation Monday, but said XXXXXXX does appear to be very much awake in the video tape taken by the his neighbor. Officials with American Airlines could not be reached for comment Monday, but Phillips said XXXXXXX told her he will be undergoing a psychological evaluation and was not flying, for now. XXXXXXX was free on $10,000 bond Monday. While we're at it, lets not forget the AA pilot who was arrested for showing up for work in Manchester, England in February of 2006 and being drunk. Of course, he was acquitted because he convinced a jury he drank a bunch of whiskey in his sleep, which I can understand, as we all sleep with a large bottle of whiskey on the nightstand. Or how about the brilliant move by the professionally minded AA pilot who gave the finger while being photographed by Brazillian authorities and was also arrested. Sound judgement there. Oh, and let's not forget the mentally stable wizard of an AA pilot who was kicked off a flight in Omaha, because he had the wisdom and maturity to tell a security screener that he had access to a cockpit ax and could "chop your head off". Absolutely brilliant. Back in the late 80's a UAL DC-10 F/E was busted in his garage while in the process of dismembering his wife whom he'd just killed. He had completed sawing off her legs and was hoping to finish the job, but ran out of time. All these stories prove is that no large group of employees is immune to errant behavior. |
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
(Post 590761)
Yeah he's a real hero. Just ask him where he thinks those Eagle pilots we "take" should go on our seniority list. DOH. That's the same demand they have made every other time we have approached them with attempts to merge the seniority lists. RJ captain to 767 international captain. Get real.
I guess we should expect nothing less from a group that tried to steal away our 80 flying under the failed 80-80-80 campaign. Why would the Eagle Captain want to take a pay cut to fly Captain on a 767? |
Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
(Post 590773)
EGL flyer....
Keeping this brief and short winded.....I can appreciate you ideas, thoughts, and opinion on how the wicked "triangle" should work....but again, it's just that, an unrealistic pipe dream. When your willing to sell out the bottom 50% of your own seniority list, I can see that the APA guys/gals would have warm-fuzzies in having someone like you running amuck in their own ranks. I find it VERY hard for your theory to hold water in the fact that the majority of the bottom 50% (1000+ pilots) subscribe to your plan....even if there are a half a dozen proponets posted on APC. If you want to know anything about "selling out" people in the past, just ask your senior buddies at EGL about the Man, Myth, and Legend - Homer Pugh's "16 years mistake". Having witnessed this first hand, learn from the past mistakes and don't be the next "Homer" in selling out your colleagues. I still don't understand your logic as to why AMR would every agree to such a marriage in a common seniority list....why would they do that when the have a "Whip Saw" already in place??? After all it's all the Vouge in todays managment tactics. In management's eyes...."work good, work long time". I will leave you with this, just remember "history often repeats itself". In the past, APA and EGL ALPA went through many meetings/talks/interpreted previously written agreements involving something called a "Flow Through v Flow Back"....how did that work for you?? 126ish flowed over to AA's mainline, and something along the lines of 700ish AA furloughs flowed back to occupy RJ CA seats. History has shown that there will always be some form of separation in the two pilot groups, AMR mgt has already proven that. To keep in the concentration of the thread, Best luck to the APA Guys/Gals and your current negotiations....give management heck and get what the industry deserves on all levels. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 592059)
Back in the late 80's a UAL DC-10 F/E was busted in his garage while in the process of dismembering his wife whom he'd just killed. He had completed sawing off her legs and was hoping to finish the job, but ran out of time. All these stories prove is that no large group of employees is immune to errant behavior. |
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
(Post 592538)
Poor Eaglefly.
"Career" tops out at Eagle, flying pig farmers back and forth to Iowa while teaching 250 hr. Riddle pilots how to jerk gear and pop zits on layovers. Impressive. All that's left for him in life is lashing out at mainline guys on APC. Sad, but normal for AE. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 592000)
When every ink blot is an evil Eagle pilot, it sends a pretty clear message and I'm sure they picked up on it. I'll bet many of your current captains are tired of sitting there, flying along in cruise, listening to you whine that your salisbury steak looks like this one Eagle pilot you knew and the mashed potatoes remind you of another "Eaglejerk" you talked too.
In the meantime, there's a few vociferous AE guys that blame the APA for everything from the zits on their ass to global warming. |
Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 592994)
Actually I've NEVER heard any conversation in an AA cockpit that even mentioned Eagle pilots. Once in a long while AE will be discussed about how scope needs to be tightened, but sorry to disappoint, but AE pilots themselves are a matter of indifference to a vast majority of AA pilots.
In the meantime, there's a few vociferous AE guys that blame the APA for everything from the zits on their ass to global warming. I WILL admit I'm not a fan of the APA. A LOT of pilots here aren't fans of Eagle ALPA for that matter, but that doesn't mean they hate their own pilots per se. Re jumpseating, I cannot recall a bad experience in perhaps 20 times at AA over the last 5 years and have only had one issue with one AA pilot in mine out of perhaps 75 (no, I didn't deny him the seat). Perception usually isn't reality. |
Originally Posted by Phlying Phallus
(Post 592538)
Poor Eaglefly.
"Career" tops out at Eagle, flying pig farmers back and forth to Iowa while teaching 250 hr. Riddle pilots how to jerk gear and pop zits on layovers. Impressive. All that's left for him in life is lashing out at mainline guys on APC. Sad, but normal for AE. Hopelessly mired on the wrong side of his cockpit, saying "yes sir, no sir" for the next decade. Forever believeing the boogyman and Eagle pilots hide under his bed. Pathetic. All that's left for him is to chase ghosts that don't exist. Demented and sad.......yet social. |
As one of the junior eagle pilots I am saddened by all the name calling and insults being thrown around in this forum. Its realy sad to see that we as pilots can be devided over such small issues. No wunder the industry is the way it is.
I hope that APA can negotiate a fair and respectable contract but the fact remains that the RJ cat is out of the bag. The only thing left for APA to do is accept reality and get the best deal they can for themselves in todays world. Gone are the days of make 250,000 a year and working 12 days a month. I'm sure it was nice while it lasted. I for one just love getting paid to fly. Yes I want to make more money doing it but I can live within my means and have a darn fine life at Eagle, if it comes to that. There are worse jobs and positions to be in. This job is a privilage and an honor at any level, I think its time people start remembering that. and move forward with the reality of TODAYS aviation industry not the PAST. |
Locked due to continued name calling and bashing. Take it to PM's.
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