Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses >

Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses

Old 04-21-2009, 06:10 PM
  #1  
Che Guevara
Thread Starter
 
ToiletDuck's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Default Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses

Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses - Yahoo! Finance

- Get 100 Commission-Free Stock Trades at E*TRADE Securities
Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses
Delta, United post nearly $1.2B in combined 1Q losses; Delta adds international bag fee


ATLANTA (AP) -- Fee-weary travelers will get another dose of what they don't need, just in time for the peak summer season. Delta Air Lines Inc. said Tuesday most passengers will have to pay $50 to check a second bag on international flights, as the carrier and the parent of United Airlines posted nearly $1.2 billion in combined first-quarter losses.

United, AMR Corp.'s American Airlines and US Airways Group Inc. said they were studying Delta's decision, but didn't immediately announce plans to match it. Continental Airlines Inc. declined to comment. Among foreign carriers, British Airways has a fee for a second checked bag for some passengers for travel to some international destinations.

Delta's president, Ed Bastian, said the continued "unbundling of our pricing" is the right course for the airline.

Atlanta-based Delta, the world's biggest airline operator, said its fee was effective Tuesday for travel beginning July 1. The company expects to generate more than $100 million annually from the new fee. Delta already charges fees for the first and second checked bags on domestic flights.

Elite frequent fliers and active military are exempt from paying Delta's new fee for a second checked bag on international flights. The first checked bag on international flights remains free.

Delta also said that it will ground 40 to 50 mainline aircraft, including its entire fleet of 14 B747-200 freighters in its cargo unit. Other aircraft to be taken out of its mainline system include some Boeing 757s and MD88s, executives said. In addition, Delta will remove 30 regional jets from service.

United, too, has been working to get costs in line with reduced flying, and it cut $1.1 billion in overall expenses compared with the same quarter last year. It raised nearly $500 million by maneuvers such as borrowing against planes and engines, moving a cargo facility in Chicago and issuing equity.

United, a unit of Chicago-based UAL Corp., expects to collect $1.1 billion this year from fees for items such as checked bags, better seats, and changed tickets, Chief Operating Officer John Tague told analysts on a conference call. That would be more than $200 million more than it collected last year, when United also had more passengers.

Shares of both airlines soared by double-digit percentages Tuesday amid a growing sense that the pace of revenue declines in the industry is easing.

"In short, things aren't good, but they are not getting worse," Bastian said on a conference call with analysts and reporters. The carrier expects to be profitable for the year.

Challenges remain.

Summer is typically a busy time for airlines. However, the weak economy has pressured advance bookings.

Bastian said Delta's domestic occupancy rate based on advance bookings for May and June is down 2 to 4 percentage points year-over-year. Corporate travel trends remain soft.

United reduced flying by 11.3 percent during the quarter that ended March 31. But traffic fell 13.2 percent. The percentage of seats filled fell by 1.7 percentage points.

United said demand fell across all types of travel, but it was especially hurt by a 30 percent drop in first- and business-class travel.

Airlines have been cutting jobs and capacity to weather the global economic downturn.

Delta previously said it will reduce international capacity by 10 percent beginning in September. As a result, in the December 2009 quarter, Delta expects system capacity to be down 6 percent to 8 percent and international capacity to be down 9 percent to 11 percent, year-over-year.

United said it would reduce mainline flying 9 percent to 10 percent for all of 2009.

Chief Financial Officer Kathryn Mikells said the company has "both the willingness and ability to do more if needed."

Delta lost $794 million in the first three months of the year, or 96 cents a share, compared to a loss of $6.39 billion, or $16.15 a share, for the same period a year ago.

Revenue increased 40 percent to $6.68 billion, but that was skewed by Delta's acquisition of Northwest Airlines in October. In the year-ago quarter, before the acquisition, Delta posted revenue of $4.77 billion.

Excluding special items, Delta's first-quarter loss was 84 cents a share. Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters, who generally exclude one-time items from their estimates, expected Delta to post a loss of $1.01 per share for the first quarter on sales of $6.7 billion.

United's parent lost $382 million in the quarter, or $2.64 a share, compared with a loss of $549 million, or $4.55 per share during the same period last year. United said it lost $579 million, or $4 per share, not counting non-cash hedging gains and some accounting charges.

Revenue fell 21.7 percent to $3.69 billion, from $4.71 billion a year ago.

Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected a loss of $4.45 per share on revenue of $3.8 billion.

Delta posted $684 million in realized fuel hedge losses in the quarter. As oil prices soared to $147 a barrel last July, many airlines hedged a portion of their future fuel needs. When market prices came tumbling down in the months that followed, some airlines were stuck with those hedges and had to pay higher prices for a portion of their fuel.

Delta ended the quarter with $5 billion in unrestricted liquidity. United ended the quarter with $2.46 billion in unrestricted cash.

In Tuesday trading, Delta shares rose $1.30, or 19.1 percent, to close at $8.11, while UAL shares rose 76 cents, or 13 percent, to close at $6.63.

AP Airlines Writer Joshua Freed contributed to this report from Minneapolis.
Has the 40-50 already been planned for or will this be new cuts with furloughs?
ToiletDuck is offline  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:13 PM
  #2  
Looking for a laugh
 
Justdoinmyjob's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,099
Default

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck View Post
Has the 40-50 already been planned for or will this be new cuts with furloughs?
Old news. No furloughs planned.
Justdoinmyjob is offline  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:13 PM
  #3  
seeing the large hubs...
 
iaflyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 73N A
Posts: 3,705
Default

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck View Post
Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses - Yahoo! Finance

Has the 40-50 already been planned for or will this be new cuts with furloughs?
Most of the discussion is in the DAL Q1 thread, but I'll throw an answer out there: the 40-50 are new cuts, but with changes planned in the next two years, the general feeling is no furloughs. The company leadership hasn't said "No furloughs" but I doubt they ever will say that. Of course, everything may change.
iaflyer is online now  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:18 PM
  #4  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
Default

Originally Posted by ToiletDuck View Post
Delta, United parent post big 1Q losses - Yahoo! Finance



Has the 40-50 already been planned for or will this be new cuts with furloughs?
Most of it is already in the plan. They discussed parking 40 mainline jets in the January earnings call for 4th quarter 2008, but didn't specify from where they'd come. Some of those aircraft losses are offset with the announced 3 777-200LR, 3 MD-90 and 3 737-700 deliveries. Only 2 CRJ-900's are being delivered, with 30 small RJ's being parked. Take out the 14 freighters (only 7 of which are being flown) and the number drops down to 26-36 parked aircraft out of a fleet of 750 mainline planes.

RA reiterated in the call that they don't plan furloughs for front line personnel.

Last edited by slowplay; 04-22-2009 at 03:58 AM.
slowplay is offline  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:19 PM
  #5  
Retired
 
DYNASTY HVY's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: whale wrangler
Posts: 3,527
Default

I,m sure glad I did'nt buy DAL stock when it was at $16 a share!
Was'nt UAL stock at $40-50 a share at some point ?
Talk about taking a hit.

Fred
DYNASTY HVY is offline  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:23 PM
  #6  
seeing the large hubs...
 
iaflyer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: 73N A
Posts: 3,705
Default

Originally Posted by DYNASTY HVY View Post
I,m sure glad I did'nt buy DAL stock when it was at $16 a share!
Was'nt UAL stock at $40-50 a share at some point ?
Talk about taking a hit.

Fred
Not if you bought it at $4. Our stock went up 19% today.
iaflyer is online now  
Old 04-21-2009, 06:33 PM
  #7  
Che Guevara
Thread Starter
 
ToiletDuck's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,408
Default

I shorted a thousand shares of AMR today. Only cost like $800 for the june $5 put options. With oil slowly working it's average up I'm thinking they'll generally fall tomorrow. I could be completely wrong but I guess we'll find out.
ToiletDuck is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Green Banana
Major
109
12-01-2010 09:32 AM
⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
Cargo
1
02-25-2009 12:06 PM
Pielut
Major
9
01-23-2009 08:30 AM
Opus
Major
1
09-19-2008 01:58 PM
ksatflyer
Hangar Talk
10
08-20-2008 09:14 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices