VP Biden says stay off airplanes...?!?
05-01-2009 | 08:11 AM
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VP Biden says stay off airplanes...?!?
One of the “moderators” closed a thread about VP Biden’s remarks telling people not to get on an aircraft or a subway, saying the thread was political and not relevant to aviation. However you will let a 30 page rant continue aimlessly out of control in the regional forums about whose crappy regional airline is better than who’s…. Or who’s a scab or not when there was never a strike. Well what Biden said did directly affect our aviation industry! Here is a copy of the letter that the CEO of the world’s largest airline sent to the White House because those remarks were relevant to aviation.
Richard H. Anderson
Chief Executive Officer
April 30, 2009
The Honorable Joseph “Joe” Biden, Jr.
Vice President of the United States
Eisenhower Executive Office Bldg.
1650 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 20501
Dear Mr. Vice President:
Delta’s employees have rallied through this financial crisis to build the world’s largest airline. Despite a difficult economic environment, Delta has succeeded without any frontline, involuntary employee layoffs. Our goal is to weather this economy without layoffs. There has been no interruption in employee pension benefit plan contributions, shared reward payments, pay raises have continued and there have been no increases to employee health care premiums.
We are proud of what we’ve accomplished, but amid this difficult economic situation your suggestion that air travel is unsafe due to the H1N1 flu outbreak is harmful and threatens to have a negative impact on the airline industry at this critical time. We would respectfully request that government and industry follow the professional direction of the CDC, as we are doing.
Obviously, if one is feeling sick they should not go to work, attend school or travel. But for those who are feeling well, it is important for you and the White House to reassure travelers that there is no reason to be concerned.
Our employees have met the challenge posed by this flu outbreak to ensure that our aircraft are clean and that operations of our airline pose no health risk to our customers or employees.
While Secretary Napolitano and other administration officials have affirmed that public transportation is safe, we ask that you further clarify your remarks to reassure the public that commercial air travel is safe and that there is no need for unnecessary panic and the unneeded economic disruption that would inevitably follow. We support and appreciated the administration's leadership on the Stimulus Package and do not want the economic recovery it will stimulate to be dwarfed by this event.
Sincerely,
Richard H. Anderson
cc: Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff to the President
Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to the President
Honorable Ray LaHood, Secretary of Transportation
Richard H. Anderson
Chief Executive Officer
April 30, 2009
The Honorable Joseph “Joe” Biden, Jr.
Vice President of the United States
Eisenhower Executive Office Bldg.
1650 Pennsylvania Ave., N.W.
Washington, DC 20501
Dear Mr. Vice President:
Delta’s employees have rallied through this financial crisis to build the world’s largest airline. Despite a difficult economic environment, Delta has succeeded without any frontline, involuntary employee layoffs. Our goal is to weather this economy without layoffs. There has been no interruption in employee pension benefit plan contributions, shared reward payments, pay raises have continued and there have been no increases to employee health care premiums.
We are proud of what we’ve accomplished, but amid this difficult economic situation your suggestion that air travel is unsafe due to the H1N1 flu outbreak is harmful and threatens to have a negative impact on the airline industry at this critical time. We would respectfully request that government and industry follow the professional direction of the CDC, as we are doing.
Obviously, if one is feeling sick they should not go to work, attend school or travel. But for those who are feeling well, it is important for you and the White House to reassure travelers that there is no reason to be concerned.
Our employees have met the challenge posed by this flu outbreak to ensure that our aircraft are clean and that operations of our airline pose no health risk to our customers or employees.
While Secretary Napolitano and other administration officials have affirmed that public transportation is safe, we ask that you further clarify your remarks to reassure the public that commercial air travel is safe and that there is no need for unnecessary panic and the unneeded economic disruption that would inevitably follow. We support and appreciated the administration's leadership on the Stimulus Package and do not want the economic recovery it will stimulate to be dwarfed by this event.
Sincerely,
Richard H. Anderson
cc: Rahm Emanuel, Chief of Staff to the President
Valerie Jarrett, Senior Advisor to the President
Honorable Ray LaHood, Secretary of Transportation
05-01-2009 | 08:37 AM
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I agree that the thread closure was not in the interest of a forum designed for airline pilots. Most of the discussion was responsible, relevant, and without political attack. Yes, there were a few questionable posts, but these could have been easily deleted by the mods.
I find it interesting that ... no where can I find "do not discuss politics" in the Terms and Conditions.
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I find it interesting that ... no where can I find "do not discuss politics" in the Terms and Conditions.
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05-01-2009 | 08:38 AM
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So, does this mean my thread is back open?
Only one way to find out
Hopefully the flying public listens to Biden like Wall Street. DAL is up this morning as well as the Airline Index.
Only one way to find out
Hopefully the flying public listens to Biden like Wall Street. DAL is up this morning as well as the Airline Index.
05-01-2009 | 08:56 AM
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The media has blown "swine" flu way outta proportion. According to the CDC 36,000 people die every year in the USA alone from seasonal flu...
CDC - Influenza (Flu) | Q & A: Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States
Airplanes are safe, so are subways, just don't lick the floors or seats....
CDC - Influenza (Flu) | Q & A: Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States
Airplanes are safe, so are subways, just don't lick the floors or seats....
05-01-2009 | 09:07 AM
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I agree that the thread closure was not in the interest of a forum designed for airline pilots. Most of the discussion was responsible, relevant, and without political attack. Yes, there were a few questionable posts, but these could have been easily deleted by the mods.
I find it interesting that ... no where can I find "do not discuss politics" in the Terms and Conditions.
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I find it interesting that ... no where can I find "do not discuss politics" in the Terms and Conditions.
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There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession.
05-01-2009 | 09:08 AM
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TOS excerpt:
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
05-01-2009 | 10:15 AM
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TOS excerpt:
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
Talking politics, "without" talking politics.....give me a break!!
The 500 lb elephant sitting right in the middle of the room that no one is allowed to speak of....who wants to be the first to fire.
Last edited by SoCalGuy; 05-01-2009 at 10:30 AM.
05-01-2009 | 10:27 AM
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Moderator must be a Obamaite. Wonder if the same standard would apply if Dick Cheney said it.
05-01-2009 | 10:32 AM
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TOS excerpt:
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
"Topics Not for Discussion
There are currently NO forums that provide a venue for discussing politics or religion. While DreamLaunch Media Ltd. and Airline Pilot Central embrace
the diversity the world has to offer, these subjects often are very emotional and there are many different views. In our experience the wide range of
views and emotions rarely contribute to a harmonious online community or beneficial contributions to the piloting profession."
Mods just enforce the rules. The thread was closed because of political bashing. Further comments about the TOS or how the site is run should be directed to the admins, that would be HSLD or Freight Dog. I think this subject can be discussed in a way that doesn't violate the site TOS. It's up to you guys to make that happen. Have at it....
05-01-2009 | 10:34 AM
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Let's face it. On any other forum, the political discussions are never discussions, they are shouting matches. Someone will say "President Jones (republican) did so and so and they stink". Then someone will say "Yeah but President Smith (democrat) did so and so and they stink more." Mix, shake, repeat. Every thread about politics follows this same discourse. I like that this forum avoids these pointless shouting matches. I have my own political views (which are 100% correct by the way ) but you don't really care what they are. You are not going to change my political views and I am not going to change yours, at least not on this forum. So why bother?
) but you don't really care what they are. You are not going to change my political views and I am not going to change yours, at least not on this forum. So why bother?
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