Does anybody have any news about the trial over the seniority list at LCC? Are there transcripts posted anywhere? I haven't heard any news about it.

 

Well first off, the seniority list is not what's on trial. What is on trail is weather or not USAPA failed to fairly represent the west pilots after they replaced ALPA. We (the west) say they didn't because in their negotiations with the company there trying to push a DOH seniority list in the new joint contract. This is a new list that was constructed ENTIRELY by themselves (the east) with no input what so ever from the west pilots. And that action alone clearly demonstrates their intentions of never to use an arbitrated award that BOTH sides agreed to use.

Here's the latest:
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Another little fact of the DFR Trial. When USAPA was campaigning at no time did the group send anything to the West pilots on what they stood for. They did one roadshow in Phoenix, and only lasted a couple of hours. A majority of the pilots could not even attend the meeting due to schedules, where the person lives or training.

Once USAPA was elected, at no time did the new union attempt to interact with the West. They didn't even show up in Phoenix for a pilot meeting till November, they were elected in April. Only communication the pilots on the West received was a bill asking for dues.

For future unions that come on to any property. At least act like you care even if don't. At least send material, looks good. After the election, at least reach out to the whole group, not the majority. Looks like you care, even it you don't.

We will see how this whole mess plays out. The next couple of weeks should be interesting and long for this group.

Only one making money in this group of pilots are the attorneys. It ashame. All pilots have lost pay over the years and will continue to do so till this is settled. Furloughees have paid the ultimate sacrafice, their jobs.

 

Just patiently, and uncomfortably, treading water at the moment.

 

I'll play devil's advocate here: what were they required to do? How many times would it be REQUIRED to show up? They did one roadshow. Had they not done any, I'd agree with you.

Sounds like how the APA treats the TWA pilots in St. Louis. They do the bare minimum, but they do it.

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I would say they should have shown up enough to enable all the pilots to attend a meeting. If I were getting a new union or had one petitioning, I would consider it essential to speak to them and hear what they had to say. Not an email or letter, but their actual words. Is that too much to ask? I guess it is if they were planning on screwing over the West. Our union is running a lot of roadshows to present our recent TA. They want to give everyone the chance to hear what happened and why the TA is the way it is. If they did not give a [fungal toenail] what we thought then they would have done what USAPA did.

 

Good Luck to the West Guys! Keep up the fight.

 

Neither ALPA nor the Company would provide address info during the election. The only way to receive anything was to log onto the website and provide your contact information. The local guys campaigned in their domiciles but were prohibited from doing even that in the crewrooms.

The West was pro ALPA. If you boycott the process, then don't get on here and tell half truths about how you were never contacted.

 

What about if you had no intention to vote for the new union, and the new union knew this?

USAPA did only one roadshow - true. And, they left early (or earlier than they had planned too originally, it would seem). However . . .

The meeting was at the airport, allowing maximum attendance from those who had the ability to attend. The reception USAPA received was less than warm (look @ the video on youtube and see for yourself). I don't think more than 2% of the former HP pilots eventually voted for USAPA. Would this # have really changed had USAPA held 10 meetings in PHX or LAS? Honestly, for USAPA to do more than the bare minimum would have been a waste of time for USAPA, considering some of their core campaign promises - nobody out there was going to vote for them anyway. Furthermore, the HP pilots did have the opportunity to attend USAPA organizing meetings in CLT, PHL, DCA, etc. - there's a you tube video of a lone HP pilot attending a CLT meeting, and the atmosphere is much more relaxed, though the difference of opinion on USAPA's goals remains.

Legally, does the reasoning 'it would have been a waste of time to do more than 1 meeting' hold weight (will they even introduce into evidence the reasoning why they didn't do more meetings)? How many meetings do they need to hold to maintain the minimum standard, and where? This is all that is relevant right now.

Good luck to all of the US Airways pilots, regardless of which the side of the fence you are on this issue.

 

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Bottom line.





No matter what happens, in the end there will be some who are satisfied and some who are PO'd to various levels. At that point, the quicker the "smoke clears" and we start working as a single pilot group for the betterment of our pilot group as a whole through contract, etc., etc. the better. The longer we spend time bickering amongst ourselves the more the chances are that we can be taken advantage of in a myriad of ways.

GOD bless us ALL as a pilot group and all of us throughout the industry during these tough times.