United warned about pilot shortage
 

Hey,

Just do what CAL does every summer and send every single training Pilot to the Line, stop hiring, (more hiring would alleviate most of the problem), pay guys time and 1/2 who can't wait to help the company out instead of having a properly staffed airline and your set.

CAL's been doing this for over 20 years now and the Pilots who help-out are as much to blame as management.

huh???
 

"but don`t get paid for time they spend in other cities, and on other duties" what is that?? are they saying that a pilot on layover is not being paid???:eek:

Cool, the pilot shortage Kit's been talking about is finally here!! I better call ERAU and tell them to up the recruitment.

I hear it's gonna be a goat fnck this summer around UAL. 777s are flying some of the 767 routes (even saw a Triple in Kona HI the other day!), domestic guys are being slammed, and cancellations due to crew shortages are rife. Yet they're properly staffed. Yeah, right.

Hokey smoke, Rocky! Substitute "FedEx" for "CAL" and it fits to a tee. And I thought that we were the only ones dumb enough to do that kinda stuff. It brings a tear of relief to my eye.

I bet I know who was flying that Triple 7...:p

Erau
 

Whats with the bashing of Riddle? Are you a disgruntled UND guy? Or an ERAU drop out? Don't blame a school on the industry or use it as a crutch for a bad attitude...Grow up!

Are you Smoking Crack? ERAU grads cant even spell "Pilot". Not even a comparison. An Accredited University vs. a Trade School. ERAU is for kids who have too much money and couldn't get accepted at a higher education university. Go Purdue and Sioux!!!!!!!!!!! Also, how many "competitions" has UND won in the last 25 years? Like 85%!!! An insane record.

A trade school?? You better tell that to all of the publications that constantly rank ERAU's engineering program at the top of the list.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/gra...rank_brief.php

And which publication are you refering to...AOPA Flight Training?

All that extra money that UND guys pay for renting their airplanes goes to the flight team. Let their be no doubt about it...money is what wins the competitions these days, not natural skill.

I'm sure that the UND team is ever so eager to spend hours and hours each week learning the subtle differences between obscure European training aircraft from the 1940's when they should be enjoying college and getting 1aid.

Your own tower controllers can't stand you guys. Remember in '01 during the national competition when another school's banner was allowed to be displayed on "your" control tower?!?!?!?!

Geez...have a beer.

This is too funny....

The people that bash ANY aviation school are usually the ones that didn't make it into any of them. Call it jealousy, envy, whatever......

As far as ERAU being only for "Rich Snobs", I paid my own way through and am still paying for it. Many of my friends who went there also paid their way through THEMSELVES. Not possible you say? Well that just goes to show how dumb both of you really are. I call myself resourceful. I wanted to go there and found the means to do so (including working two jobs while I was there).

I don't go around bragging about where I went to school or how "great" a school that ERAU is. I have great respect for all of the aviation colleges and their grads, not just mine.

I will agree that most who "brag" and make a big stink out of it are the ones who did have mom and dad pay for it and they also got a regional job at 250 hours. I don't apologize for their behavior because it really doesn't matter what school you went to at that point. If you have never had a REAL job outside of aviation, then you don't appreciate where you are today regardless of whether you went to ERAU or Community College for your ratings.

Get off of your jealousy kick and suck it up.........Most of our grads are great qualified pilots that have worked hard for their ratings and degree. I don't give a rats a^$$ about an of the flight teams. They don't mean anything when it comes to the quality of the grad. Hell, I can teach a monkey to fly an airplane......

OK, I think we understand that are differing opinions about aviation universities. Please take the food fights elsewhere.

Anyone have dialog about this thread's title: United warned about pilot shortage ?

I was wondering the same thing. HSLD, what are your thoughts? You know where I am, and that many of my clients fly UA. Are they really working the guys close to the edge?

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...alhouse347.jpg


Did Somebody Say "Food Fight"?

LMAO! "See if you can guess what I am now?"

Let me add AA to the list
 

I'm with AA (former TWA) and AA's in the "refuse to recall" mode. Cancellations for lack of crews, reserves flying over guarantee every month. Co. blaming canceled flts on the "sick rate". Now doing the "shrink to profitablity" mode to avoid recalls (flt attendants too).

Right on!
 

AA is the only company left that hasn't recalled a single pilot since 9-11, and they have the most on furlough-----by far (2,890).

They had plans to increase int'l (high-yield) flying this summer, but when they were told 300-400 pilots would have to be recalled to do this extra flying, AA decided instead to cancel these flights, return the revenue they had already collected and give that market share or profitability to their competitors.

Aren't they generous?

I would disagree. It seems to me that AA has recalled, but not to mainline. Has not Eagle expanded? Either way, AA management should be ashamed of the way they treat their people.

skybolt

Eagle has expanded, Skybolt; that's where most of the AA mainline, hub-and-spoke NB flying went. There were 200-400 AA pilots allowed to "Flowback" to Eagle RJ jobs, but that is a mere fraction compared to the flying that used to be mainline AA that is now Eagle RJ flying.

And again, not one AA pilot has been recalled.

We're on the same page bro. I was just a little to flippant in my attempt to show the disingenous actions of AA management. Sorry bout dat!

skybolt

Interesting. I'm sure UA will enjoy snatching up those international routes. I hope they have the good sense to add more pilots. My personal experience has been that I never see a UA flight go out of SFO less than completely full, well except for maybe a red-eye.

It sounds like most of the majors are flying everyone to guarantee, is it different this summer than in years past?

Hey skybolt, about the forgery in your sig...are you joking around with that or what? Just so you know, an authentic quote would have proper capitalization of the user name.

By the way, no one's jealous of aviation colleges. They are not selective. I nearly spat out my drink reading that, whoever said it.

I can't speak to "most" majors, but it is different this year at UAL. This is the first summer that a new Preferential Bidding System (PBS) has been online systemwide. So far, the system has not shown any ability to provide quality of life in a work schedule.

Quality of life is different things to different people, but I look at the scdules from a safety standpoint. A scheduling system that month over month has a pilot flying 95 hours with 10 days off per month sets the stage for chronic fatigue. It's OK though because UAL now has a draconian and punitive sick leave policy to deal with tired pilots when they call in sick.

No forgery there Uncle Bose. If you care, you can search skyhighs posts and find it yourself. It came from one of his rants in a pilot pay thread. You know, one of the threads that was split by the mod and it still went over ten pages.

As for the way I posted the quote, I got the quote by using cut and paste from the search page. I then added it to my signature by using a standard forum quote that uses this format (except I'm going to use this symbol, { , instead of this, [ , to bracket the quote.

example {quote=skyhigh}followed by the quote, ended by this{/quote}

No forgery needed.

I include it because I intend to show that skyhigh has an agenda other than just helping kids avoid this industry. He appears to have genuine issues with airline pilots. I actually am beginning to feel sorry for the man.

skybolt

edit: Luckily, I've got a late show, so I did the work for ya Unc. Here's a link to skyhighs post

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...&postcount=105

It's post #105 in the "how much should a pilot be payed, Part II" thread. Dated, 01-09-2006 at 8:17AM.

You're welcome

Ah, I see. Must've missed that one. There are just so many...

The company's interest is NOT centered around Quality Of Life for you guys. It's a one-way street for them - they don't give a damn about QOL for the pilots. They want it to enable them to get more work out of you.

I was somewhat involved in the preferential bidding system test in the early to mid 80s. The company was only interested in it to work you more, nothing else, no matter what line of crap they gave us back then nor are giving you today.

generous?
 

The word "stubborn" comes to mind.

How many folks are still on furlough at UAL?

It would seem that every airline management has this one in their playbook.

Real words of wisdom.

This is from the furlough coordinator at United.......

Total recall numbers are as follows (includes the 5 June 2006 Recall class):

Total pilots offered recall 1213
Total pilots still to be recalled 959
Total pilots back on property 445 =36.7% (248 this year)
Total pilots on LOA 229 =18.9%
Total pilots on Bypass 539 =44.4%

The most junior pilot to be offered recall is seniority number 7965.

959+(1213-445)=1727 pilots on 9/11/01 seniority list who haven't returned.

Honored
 

SkyBolt,

Thanks man! I just found this post and am honored to be in your signature. Here is another one, "the airlines are designed to accommodate the lowest common denominator". You could try this one also, "Skill and ability have no value in the 121 system".

Skyhigh

Good One
 

Skybolt

It almost seems like the airlines strive to harbor incompetence.


Here is a favorite of mine.

SkyHigh

Skyhigh, I really don't understand why you have such a dislike for pilots! Why do you continue to demean the people who do the job? I don't have any problem with your industry bashing, Lord knows I've done it myself, but why must you show disrespect for those of us who do the job.

Do you really think that airline pilots have no natural ability and skill?

If you think that "airlines are designed to accomodate the lowest common denominator", then I'll submit that you never interviewed at any major pax of box carrier. The airline training, and union job protection systems may protect a pilot once that pilot gains a job, but I can assure you that "lowest common denominator pilots" never get the job to begin with.
In fact, even though I have a healthy disrespect for those with SJS, even most of those punks are da##ed good pilots.

I'll remove your quote from my sig when you stop pilot bashing.

Skybolt

SkyBolt
 

Dear Bolt,

Please I am highly flattered and honored by your homage to me in every post. By all means leave the quote.

I think that the airlines take an assembly line approach to flying that reduces the actual skill and ability down to near rote memorization. Safety demands a sterile system that mostly removes the human element as risk. The results are that pilots are spoon fed information from dispatch and lead around like dogs by ATC. Airline pilots are not supposed to think for themselves but instead are taught to refer to manuals and decision trees for guidance. In an emergency the crew member is supposed to regurgitate a canned response like a computer and they are assessed by how well they can resemble automation. I don't know if you have any other flying experiences outside of the airlines but I can assure you that it is very different. However, if you like to feel good about what you do and think you are a superman then that is great.


SkyHigh

Signature
 

Skybolt,

Did I do it right?

SKyHigh

I told myself that I would stop responding to your senseless postings, but I want to point out to the forum users why people should avoid your drivel.

Your statement "Airline pilots are not supposed to think for themselves but instead are taught to refer to manuals and decision trees for guidance" is an example of what I'm taliking about.

Being a Captain is not about flying the airplane, but rather about exercising good judgement and knowing when to dig in your heels when it's needed.

Here's an example of what happens when pilots "... take an assembly line approach to flying that reduces the actual skill and ability down to near rote memorization.".

http://www.airlineempires.net/index....d=80&Itemid=79

Whatever happened to kill bill?

-LAFF