Suggested Payrates, here they are.
06-28-2009, 04:49 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by awrdmxsked
60K? Are you insain? I'm an FO and I was perfectly fine with $21 per hour. You have to work for cheap the first year to help pay back the company for your training. It helps strengthen the company by keeping costs down.
What!!!, I'm sure that helps the Co., and our INDUSTRY.
06-28-2009, 06:41 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Could you detail to me how seniority wouldn't be honored merely by going to a salary based pay system (not changing any other aspect of your contract)?
Jaded and suspicious. I suppose, if there are some guarantees that bidding, be it pre constructed lines or some sort of computer based system strictly honors seniority as it's highest priority after FAR compliance, in theory it could work.
Airline management wont settle for that long term. #1 pilot will always time out about mid October then they'll have to pay him to stay home for a month and a half if there is a contractual monthly guarantee. Conversely, they will push to get just "a few" trips that are 1) less productive and 2) less desirable on to #1 pilot's schedule to keep time outs from happening and to increase productivity for subsequently less senior pilots.
My perception is that airline management wants pilot cost leveling i.e. all the pilots making within pennies of each other and all of the pilots flying max productivity, 998.7 hours a year. The best way to get close to that, is to dole out the flying in similar productivity doses and then hold pilots feet to the fire on absences to minimize reserve coverage needs. Pilot schedule homogenization (pay and productivity from a mgt. view) becomes the drive that moves seniority in bid awarding down the totem of prominence.
Throw in the Johnny come lately manager that takes the "Hey we're all salaried", "You need to be a team player" and "It's a poop sandwich and everyone has to take a bite" mentality and you're going to have a harder and harder time hanging on to anything you've accrued associated with seniority. Back in the early 1990's our industry gave up boarding priority strictly determined by seniority, on the argument that "good" management people needed to be retained. Usurping seniority seemed like a convenient perk for all of the managerial greats in our industry. We'll never get that undone. Once the camel's nose is under the tent... Anyway I have seen and fear the same in a transition from hourly pay. There are mgt. and full time school house pilots that would gladly fly the line if they weren't subject to their own seniority.
I like my job description as tight as it can be. Historically "salaried", widens that description too much for my liking.
Just my opinion.
