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Sink r8 07-10-2009 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 642644)
Alliance and merger are completely unrelated. CAL didn't merger with any airlines in their last alliance.

Did labor get any changes made to the agreement, or is the only nod to DOJ the removal of certain routes from the immunity?

SoCalGuy 07-10-2009 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 642638)
I was watching airline stocks today. Nice bump to everyone except one. The only theory I can come up with is that the street has concluded STAR has one superfluous airline, now that CAL is joining.

Any other theories?

Care to be a bit more elaborate on your broad theory??

That take of CAL being "Superfluous" to the STAR Alliance would not have anything to do with Delta's strong opposition against the original Antitrust filing back in November 2008??
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/26/AR2008112604257.html

Please explain your take so we can understand what you ment.....

BTW....both US airlines pertaining (or soon to be) to the STAR - CAL & UA were up 6% & 2.5% at market's close....which one were you refering too that slid??

Sink r8 07-10-2009 12:51 PM

SoCalGuy,

Sorry if I was being cryptic. I was referring to the other US carrier in STAR: LCC. They were down 4.63% today, 1.94% after hours. Everyone else went up. Perhaps three US carriers in an alliance is a bit much?

Hence the term "superfluous". That's what I think the street is thinking, but I don't know. I'm open to any other theory that makes sense.

SoCalGuy 07-10-2009 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 642666)
SoCalGuy,

Sorry if I was being cryptic. I was referring to the other US carrier in STAR: LCC. They were down 4.63% today, 1.94% after hours. Everyone else went up. Perhaps three US carriers in an alliance is a bit much?

Hence the term "superfluous". That's what I think the street is thinking, but I don't know. I'm open to any other theory that makes sense.

The ink is still wet in offices back in DC.

I'll revisit it in 12-18 months after it starts later this year in the 4th Q and we'll see how things are coming along then.

cal73 07-10-2009 01:03 PM

Hurray!!!

Right?:rolleyes:

jsled 07-10-2009 01:35 PM

willkommen to the Death Star. I am sure this will create many new US jobs just like Herr Tiltler and Kellner say it will. :eek:

Nevets 07-10-2009 01:41 PM

Would this lead to a higher or lower probability of a merger?

Sink r8 07-10-2009 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 642699)
Would this lead to a higher or lower probability of a merger?

I don't know, but I would imagine it leads to a higher probability LCC goes over to OneWorld. Pure speculation on my part, nothing tangible.

StrikeTime 07-10-2009 07:25 PM

I wonder what the UAL MEC has to say to this now. I wonder how it will affect the employee's of both groups in the future... Time will tell.

EWRflyr 07-10-2009 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 642699)
Would this lead to a higher or lower probability of a merger?

If they had wanted to merge, the two companies wouldn't have needed to do this song and dance routine.

Remember, CAL already sat down and looked at UAL's books last year when a merger was contemplated. After seeing the mess over there, CAL went running and said not only NO but H**L NO! There was just too much to fix. An alliance? Yeah, we can do that!

If this had NOT been approved, there would have been a stronger likelihood of a merger in order to keep up to speed with the likes of Delthwest. The next step is to see if the revenue targets meet the desires of both companies. If not then I would expect, dinner, drinks and cigar meetings between the top execs about a merger again.


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