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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
(Post 642927)
If this had NOT been approved, there would have been a stronger likelihood of a merger in order to keep up to speed with the likes of Delthwest.
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
(Post 642927)
Remember, CAL already sat down and looked at UAL's books last year when a merger was contemplated. After seeing the mess over there, CAL went running and said not only NO but H**L NO! There was just too much to fix. An alliance? Yeah, we can do that!
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Originally Posted by Ottopilot
(Post 642644)
Alliance and merger are completely unrelated. CAL didn't merger with any airlines in their last alliance.
Try and merge without an alliance....pointless. |
Originally Posted by EWRflyr
(Post 642927)
If they had wanted to merge, the two companies wouldn't have needed to do this song and dance routine.
Remember, CAL already sat down and looked at UAL's books last year when a merger was contemplated. After seeing the mess over there, CAL went running and said not only NO but H**L NO! There was just too much to fix. An alliance? Yeah, we can do that! If this had NOT been approved, there would have been a stronger likelihood of a merger in order to keep up to speed with the likes of Delthwest. The next step is to see if the revenue targets meet the desires of both companies. If not then I would expect, dinner, drinks and cigar meetings between the top execs about a merger again. I am sure that "terms" have been rewritten.....that is why it is still not dead. CAL had a choice of who to join an alliance with ya know. |
Originally Posted by contrail67
(Post 643160)
I am sure that "terms" have been rewritten.....that is why it is still not dead. CAL had a choice of who to join an alliance with ya know.
If that means that UAL gets right-sized and the new DAL is giving us a good spanking, then that's when it will occur. |
CAL is doing a lot of right sizing itself
Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 643172)
I agree. Kellner and Tilton worked out a rough road map and if and when the conditions are right, we will merge.
If that means that UAL gets right-sized and the new DAL is giving us a good spanking, then that's when it will occur. UA seems to be standing pat on capacity from what has been announced in the press. Right now, it seems more right sizing is in the cards for CAL than UA. |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 643006)
Hmm let's see. UAL is ill with a bad cold, and CAL is wondering whether or not to get into bed with them. After discussions, deliberations amongst themselves, CAL thought it better to stay away from UAL and avoid catching their cold which would turn into the Swine Flu. Good choice don’t you think?
Tilton and Kellner had come to terms. Unlike UAL where Tilton got to stack the BOD with his cronies, the CAL BOD saw the deal in a negative manner and did their duty. Kellner didn't call the KIO and was more than ready to engage. Lee |
Tilton and Kellner had come to terms. Kellner didn't call the KIO and was more than ready to engage. |
Originally Posted by MGB3
(Post 643274)
UA's capacity reductions are big, but now many of the other legacies are catching up, including CAL announcing significantly larger cuts recently.
UA seems to be standing pat on capacity from what has been announced in the press. Right now, it seems more right sizing is in the cards for CAL than UA. When the dust settles you'll have a very reduced UAL merge with a slightly smaller CAL. The size of the carrier will probably be a little larger than UAL was in their glory days. |
Originally Posted by 757Driver
(Post 643618)
Don't hold your breath but stranger things have happened. I still see UAL shrinking further with CAL probably cutting as well but not nearly as much.
When the dust settles you'll have a very reduced UAL merge with a slightly smaller CAL. The size of the carrier will probably be a little larger than UAL was in their glory days. CAL Furloughs....147 vs. UAL Furloughs....850'ish'+?? (Any UAL guys feel free to pin a more accurate number with insider news) There is no doubt there will more 'right sizing' before a deal is put in place if one should come about in the future. Shoot, CAL is talking about downsizing the FA ranks....could this lead to pilots as well?? Logic would say they would go hand in hand. In Mgt's point of view, it only behooves them to slice and dice down to bare-bones minimum staffing when/and if they decide to pull the trigger with a shot-gun wedding in the future. Running an airline these days with min/or below min staffing is their Mantra as we all well know. Bottom line.....regardless of what uniform you wear today....."pilots on the street tomorrow" sucks either way |
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