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Use common sense...this will be bad for us...I promise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are wrong on all accounts about UPS. The pax guys are probably screwed, but then again, they are already screwed. UPS has stated that they will turn over all flying currently done by contractors that would be legal under an open skies agreement.

It must be nice to be delusional
 

One thing great about Browntail is how (everyday) he proves how little brains (it must take) to fly. :eek: If UPS wanted to it could be flying much of its inta Europe now, FedEx does. Is an open sky agreement going to change that?? nope. Between boasting about UPS's market position and financial strength, Browntail wines about how lousy UPS treats it pilots. Is that going to change?? Is open sky good for the pilots profession in general?? Are UPS's pilot wage and benefit's affected by the industry at large?? Maybe not, their UPS pilots) holding out for the "industry standard" pay and bennie's, just you wait, its coming any year now. :(
Look beyond the hub, bub. we are all affected by events off our own property. Nobody lives or works in a bubble, I don't care how many planes UPS buys for cash, they (UPS) will pay as little for your services and contract out as much as they can legally and contractually can .

By the way, good luck with your negotiations :confused:

One thing great about Browntail is how (everyday) he proves how little brains (it must take) to fly.

He's too emotional.

He must have wanted to fly people really bad at one point.

Actually we are flying all the intra europe trips we can legally fly except for one for that one, the EB signed a side letter letting UPS contract it out.

Don, Browntail is right on this and it is great for FedEx pilots also. You must have noticed the A300B4 sitting on the ramp at CDG or STN. Would be nice if it was a A310-200 with a big FedEx on the side rather than AIR CONTRACTORS. It would be nice if those 727s up in Canada were flown by FedEx pilots rather than Morningstar. Would be nice to provide service from Berlin to Munich, or Delhi to Mumbai, or Beijing to Shanghai.


I know you are only expressing concern for the UPS pilots and I'm sure he wishes us the same.:o

browntaIL and foxhunter must be drinking jamacan kool-aid
 

do not forget that just like you could provide service from shangai to beijing, so can some foreing airline provide service from memphis to lax. you really think Fred won't open a wholly own airline in sri lanka and take away flying from you? he already does it with tradewinds.
you really think most rusian or any 2nd world country pilot gives a crap about scabbibg you out of a job?:rolleyes:

this is the begginig of full foreing ownership and cabotage. you willl not have a job if those two scenarios occur. you will go on strike when Fred refuses to give you your flying back and is being done by some foreing entity and it will be a fiasco worse than the eastern one.:eek:

browntail, UPS says you will be doing all the intraeurope flying forever and ever and you really believe what those really honest guys running things say??? I tell you what, I can sell you a bridge really cheap and you can charge everyone who uses it. I'm selling it because I want to retire. the bridge is in San Francisco and is called "the golden gate" . is very profitable ,but, like I said, ,I want to retire. only $3mil, it must be a bargain for you since you are making so much money as a UPS piot and will be making so much moore when you get a new contract:p

You are right, I will be making a whole lot more as a UPS pilot with our new contract. Our new contract will guarantee the flying to the IPA. If UPS renigs for any reason, then a grievance and even more money in my pocket in addition to the flying. Since the pax guys sold out for code sharing, your concerns are valid. But with UPS and probably so FedEx, our scope language will prevent management from double breasting in any theater around the globe.

Congress just screwed you (again)
 

Just remember, it all comes down to capitalism. If UPS can get a better deal from contractors than from the IPA, they will do it. Wouldn't you??

Browntail, you make me feel real good about my job...but, open skies will not help us! It is only a matter of time before our cargo pay goes to crap!