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⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 08-06-2009 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Freedom421 (Post 657653)
... Lets say $2 per passenger per leg for First Officers and $3 per leg for Captains...

Big Brown and Purple drivers will all be screwed! :D

Jay5150 08-06-2009 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE (Post 657703)
Big Brown and Purple drivers will all be screwed! :D

Yeah, but make it per parcel and you could retire by Christmas:)

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 08-06-2009 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 657728)
Yeah, but make it per parcel and you could retire by Christmas:)

Good point; I'd be happy with a set percentage for each ipod/iphone we ship... :D

757upspilot 08-06-2009 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by Freedom421 (Post 657653)
I have a radical idea about pilot pay and I wanted to see what everyone thought about it. This is a ruff idea but I am sure you guy's will add to it if you think it might work.

Each pilot would get paid base off of a ticket surcharge. Lets say $2 per passenger per leg for First Officers and $3 per leg for Captains. We could change the dollar about to whatever we and the company deem is fair. Five dollars per pax per leg for pilot wages. After doing the math maybe it should be 5 for FO's and 7 for CA per leg.
Their would need to be a minimum pay per day of reserve lets say $150 plus whatever you make per leg of flying.
I guess their would have to be a domestic charge and a higher charge for international flight since they don't fly as many legs per month.

Positives
The public will not think we are grossly over paid. ( if they only knew the truth)
I don't think any passenger would have a problem with paying $5 per leg or $12 per leg.
If Planes are full we make good money if their not we help the company out in hard times.
Levels the paying field from airline to airline with regard to pay.
You don't have to climb the pyramid of pay.
Airlines can compete by increasing customer service instead of cutting our pay to lower ticket prices.
We don't have to wait 15 years plus several different airline to make a fair wage.
No regionals vs Majors just routs and plains.
Old guy would not necessarily have to fly long hall flights to make the big dollars.

Negatives
You guys can tell me.

Examples

30 passengers

60 per leg FO's
90 per leg CA's

4 legs per day
$240 FO's
$360 CA's

15 day month
$3600 FO's
$5400 CA's

40 Passengers
80 per leg FO's
120 per leg CA's

4 legs per day
$320 FO's
480 CA's

15 Day Month
$4800 FO's
$7200 CA's

150 passengers
$300 per leg FO's
450 per leg CA's

3 legs per day
$900 FO's
$1350 CA's

15 day month
$13,500 FO's
$20,250 CA's

Compensation driven by productivity , hmmm , you mean something like weight and speed or equipment differences pay. Your pay is to low.

navigatro 08-06-2009 10:23 PM

I don't care as long as they pay me in singles so I can head right to the ABC club when I land in ANC.

Flyby1206 08-07-2009 05:42 AM

Way too complicated, K.I.S.S. How about just a flat annual salary based on equip/position.

RJ FO $40k
RJ CA $80k
737/MD80 FO $80k
737/MD80 CA $140k

Longevity is still used for bidding lines and vacation. Working OT is paid at a daily rate instead of per hour. Similar to how fractional carriers work their pay. Thoughts?

ReasonableMan 08-07-2009 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Freedom421 (Post 657684)
Pilots are pilots window heat pitot heat what's to eat. I wish that a 50 seat pilot could make the same as a 747 pilot but that would be to socialist for me. But if i think of a good idea how to pay for experience i will post it for the sake of a argument. A 747 generates more money for the company than a RJ so a pilot can fly one leg or several legs on a smaller jet to get paid a similar amount of money.

I agree. Also, the greater responsibility involved in carrying more passengers greater distances is more reason why, "the bigger the plane, the bigger the pay". Our pay should start at scheduled sign in.
Experience wouldn't work because 1000 hours of straight and level airline flying does not even remote equate to 1000 hours of military fighter flying.

RJSAviator76 08-07-2009 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657809)
Way too complicated, K.I.S.S. How about just a flat annual salary based on equip/position.

RJ FO $40k
RJ CA $80k
737/MD80 FO $80k
737/MD80 CA $140k

Longevity is still used for bidding lines and vacation. Working OT is paid at a daily rate instead of per hour. Similar to how fractional carriers work their pay. Thoughts?

AMEN!!! I still think your FO rates are a bit on a low side, but it's a start.

Now... good luck convincing ALPA. They can't comprehend the concept that doesn't involve date-of-hire.

Flyby1206 08-07-2009 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 657881)
AMEN!!! I still think your FO rates are a bit on a low side, but it's a start.

Now... good luck convincing ALPA. They can't comprehend the concept that doesn't involve date-of-hire.

Yea, the FO rates should be a little higher but I was just tossing some numbers up for discussion. Longevity payscales are hurting us all. If people didnt have to start at 1st yr pay when they went to a new airline it would be much easier on the wallet to change airlines. This would force the carriers to create a good working environment in order to retain pilots. Wouldnt it be nice to have the ability to switch airlines if your company closed your hometown base?

kodiakallstar 08-07-2009 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 657809)
Way too complicated, K.I.S.S. How about just a flat annual salary based on equip/position.

RJ FO $40k
RJ CA $80k
737/MD80 FO $80k
737/MD80 CA $140k

Longevity is still used for bidding lines and vacation. Working OT is paid at a daily rate instead of per hour. Similar to how fractional carriers work their pay. Thoughts?

That works. Just build in a cost of living and merit based pay increase and I'd sign up. The senior guys would still make more and work less and the junior guys would at least get something for their time.


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