I'm assuming this was taken from the ALPA Fastread email. I'm not sure if I'm missing something from it, but in that proposal they say min rest at 10 hours, but they don't really define when rest would begin. It better be 10 hours behind the door because this garbage of rest being defined as time away from the aircraft needs to end.

"Other concepts that ALPA addressed included a non-punitive provision for pilots to be removed from flight duties when they are fatigued, and a fatigue education program. ALPA is also proposing the following block and flight duty-time limits, as well as a 10-hour minimum rest."

If it's this :

http://public.alpa.org/portals/alpa/...15_9-24-09.pdf

(and I'm pretty sure it is)

that ALPA is talking about, I'd say it's an improvement, but misses some key issues. I'd personally rather see them just cut-and-past the British rules rather than cherry-pick some of their provisions, but this is certainly better than nothing.

At the very least, these rules would protect pilots who are subject to the worst and most dangerous circadian-disrupting, fatigue inducing schedules in the industry . . . i.e., regional airline pilots.

I find it interesting that a DAL pilot is a co-chair but there is no Delta signature at the end of the document.

I agree, but probably not as much as you'd think. Unless I'm mistaken (very possible), while the per-day flight hours would be raise, the monthly and yearly limits of 100/1000 would still be in place.

There's definitely the lurking possibility of the "law of unintended consequences" that will lead to all kinds of surprises if something this sweeping is instituted.

Here is ALPA's:
ALPA, Intl. FastRead

You know EVERY single company out there is going to schedule to the max; OK so we can fly more; what about food/bathroom? were not machines; people need brakes. I think these rules are still going to screw us in the end......

With the exception of the increase in flight time allowed on a 7 am to 1 pm report every other aspect is more restrictive. With the much shorter duty times its actually going to be hard for airlines to build as much flying as current rotations. I would expect this is going to mean more days worked per month. That is a consequence you always get from better rest and reduced flying times. There is nothing in this rule that I see which could cause a loss of pilot jobs.

Help me out here.

In the ALPA suggestion there are 6 hours in the day that you can be scheduled for more block time than current rules, but for the vast majority of operators the allowed duty period is less. Under the ALPA recommendations, 9 hours of the day scheduled block time is less than current regulation, but allowable duty time is reduced even more than most contracts currently contain!

I see this as a big step forward. Of course the ATA wants something different, they are management. But science isn't on their side. I really like the "experience" they refer to in the last sentence of the letter...:rolleyes:

Breaks would also be good. :)

Scoop - Also often a victim of fast typing on a laptop.

Personally, I prefer BOTH. :p

There is some negative impact on most of the majors. Most of the Europe flights back to the US East Coast can now be flown 2 pilot. I don't remember the last time I was SCHEDULED over 13 hours anyway, so I suspect that our schedules won't change much, if at all. My prediction is this is going to be a net negative for our manpower at UAL.

I'm dismayed to see that there is no provision to lower the monthly/yearly flight time limits, and I don't see any change to Whitlow. I guess ALPA didn't learn anything from Little Rock. Hopefully by the time the final language is written, this will be addressed.