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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
(Post 684303)
There is some negative impact on most of the majors. Most of the Europe flights back to the US East Coast can now be flown 2 pilot. I don't remember the last time I was SCHEDULED over 13 hours anyway, so I suspect that our schedules won't change much, if at all. My prediction is this is going to be a net negative for our manpower at UAL.
I'm dismayed to see that there is no provision to lower the monthly/yearly flight time limits, and I don't see any change to Whitlow. I guess ALPA didn't learn anything from Little Rock. Hopefully by the time the final language is written, this will be addressed. Your take on the east coast flights is incorrect. If you look at when most flights to and from Europe depart and arrive in the US it will actually increase augmentation required on the Europe flights. The only flights out of JFK that can get by now with 2 man crews are to the UK. They will now require a 3rd pilot as they will be restricted to 7 hours max on at least one of the 2 legs. |
Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 684455)
Hmmm. What about the all the 8.5 hour turns to the Caribbean? Now they're 3 man crews because of the 8 hour rule. They will go to 2 man crews now and cut hundreds of lines and jobs at many of the majors. Not to mention many other city pairs.
I'll say it again. ALPA is a bunch of concessionist pussies. They've done more to damage what's left of this profession than the execs. For the regionals, though, staffing needs will likely increase at most carriers, because the duty periods are reduced much greater, since many of them allow 14-15 hour duty days now. |
Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 684455)
Hmmm. What about the all the 8.5 hour turns to the Caribbean? Now they're 3 man crews because of the 8 hour rule. They will go to 2 man crews now and cut hundreds of lines and jobs at many of the majors. Not to mention many other city pairs.
I'll say it again. ALPA is a bunch of concessionist pussies. They've done more to damage what's left of this profession than the execs. |
I don't have to clear anything with a bunch of jerkoffs like ALPA. And if you don't think a 9 hour day will cost jobs and cause pilots to fly fatigued, you're naive or nuts. ALPA is either bought off or just plain stupid. Given the recent past, it's apparent to me that ALPA has now become nothing but company poodles.
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Pilots never cease to amaze me. ALPA offers a proposal that reduces the max duty day from 16 hours to as low as 9 and a max of 13, and we've got idiots complaining about it. Unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by PCL_128
(Post 684587)
Pilots never cease to amaze me. ALPA offers a proposal that reduces the max duty day from 16 hours to as low as 9 and a max of 13, and we've got idiots complaining about it. Unbelievable.
Not only was this unlikely to happen, the purpose of these rules changes is safety, not featherbedding. If anything, rule changes that forced massive hiring to support existing routes would probably cause a reduction in flying, not an increase in hiring. There's no money in the till. |
You said it well. I have no idea what guys wanted. I also don't see their logic. Flying 9 hours a day has no effect on manning. Pilot jobs are based on the number of block hours needed in that airlines system. If you fly more in a specific number of days you get a better schedule. The company still needs the same number of pilots to fly the same number of block hours.
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Why does the heading of the chart read "Maximum Flight Duty Period (hours) for Lineholders Based on Number of Flight Segments"? Are they proposing something different for reserves?
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 684071)
Can you explain your statement? This requires shorter duty days and longer rest periods. The only change where you can do more is if you report in the morning between 0700 and 1259 you can fly up to 9 block hours. That has no real impact on jobs.
The one big change is that it will force many pilots to fly more days per month to get their hours in. This is always a downside of better work and rest rules. not it the idiotic 30/7 rule was removed an we were allowed to fly 10 hours day with a 90 hour/month 850/year limit with no extension for any reason on duty times. |
Originally Posted by Wheels up
(Post 684455)
Hmmm. What about the all the 8.5 hour turns to the Caribbean? Now they're 3 man crews because of the 8 hour rule. They will go to 2 man crews now and cut hundreds of lines and jobs at many of the majors. Not to mention many other city pairs.
I'll say it again. ALPA is a bunch of concessionist pussies. They've done more to damage what's left of this profession than the execs. |
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