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aircraftdriver 11-06-2009 05:28 PM

Delta Guys - Why did you Let Compass Go?
 
I am curious as to why you Delta guys unanimously voted for Compass to get our own MEC, while the NWA guys voted unanimously to keep Compass as part of the DAL MEC?

I think you stirred things up pretty good at CPS and possibly ruined a rather ok relationship.

Razorback flyer 11-06-2009 05:51 PM

You say "you Delta guys" like all 12,273 of us got to send in Ballots on this. The MEC members voted on this - the line pilots only got a letter after the MEC vote had been conducted.

alfaromeo 11-06-2009 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by aircraftdriver (Post 707815)
I am curious as to why you Delta guys unanimously voted for Compass to get our own MEC, while the NWA guys voted unanimously to keep Compass as part of the DAL MEC?

I think you stirred things up pretty good at CPS and possibly ruined a rather ok relationship.

Can't speak for the MEC reps, but the current representational structure is the most botched up thing in the world. What if Compass is in contract negotiations and wants to go on strike, who votes for that? Who goes out on strike? What if Delta wants to merge with Compass? Who represents the Compass pilots in seniority integration? Those are just a few of the numerous issues that are raised by the current scheme.

The current structure was an idiotic idea from the start and in my opinion was just political cover for the fact that Compass was taking DC-9 jobs.

The fact that you mention the Compass pilots are "stirred up" about this issue just points to the fact that there are competing interests here and each side needs their own representation. Delta pilots are not "stirred up" about it and most recognize the inherent conflicts. A split of the MEC does not alter the possibility of a merger one iota.

No hard feelings, but everyone should have their own representation.

Boomer 11-06-2009 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 707823)
...there are competing interests here and each side needs their own representation.

No hard feelings, but everyone should have their own representation.

Does this conflict of interest apply to mainline ALPA and regional ALPA, or just mainline ALPA Delta and regional ALPA Compass? :D

Eric Stratton 11-07-2009 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 707823)
Can't speak for the MEC reps, but the current representational structure is the most botched up thing in the world. What if Compass is in contract negotiations and wants to go on strike, who votes for that? Who goes out on strike? What if Delta wants to merge with Compass? Who represents the Compass pilots in seniority integration? Those are just a few of the numerous issues that are raised by the current scheme.

The current structure was an idiotic idea from the start and in my opinion was just political cover for the fact that Compass was taking DC-9 jobs.

The fact that you mention the Compass pilots are "stirred up" about this issue just points to the fact that there are competing interests here and each side needs their own representation. Delta pilots are not "stirred up" about it and most recognize the inherent conflicts. A split of the MEC does not alter the possibility of a merger one iota.

No hard feelings, but everyone should have their own representation.

competing interests......:rolleyes:

acl65pilot 11-07-2009 04:54 AM

We can see this as a bump in the road, or the end of the road, I personally prefer the former.

Just because you will have your own MEC does not mean that the relationship needs to cool. I would have like to see things done differently, but what is done is done. The MEC made the choice, and in doing so passed the political football up to National.

There were some representational issues with the DAL MEC representing CPS the way the current structure was set up. ( Even I admit that) I would have loved to see it dealt with differently.(inclusion not exclusion, and it still can be that way) The decision was made, and we willfully divested them. It will be easier for DAL to sell CPS. We should have waited so the company would need divestiture by us to complete the sale. That was giving something for nothing. (At a min). National has not made the decision yet, have they?

If asked the way I would vote I would have voted to delay the decision at a min. As the NWA guys put it, those jobs were there jobs created in 1113C. It is a very contentious issue at this level.

bohicagain 11-07-2009 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 707941)
National has not made the decision yet, have they?

If asked the way I would vote I would have voted to delay the decision at a min. As the NWA guys put it, those jobs were there jobs created in 1113C. It is a very contentious issue at this level.

National Voted on 10/28 a unanimous vote for Compass to have their own MEC.

Don't understand why the MEC voted now. If they would have waitited until until all the 747-2 were parked the vote would have not have been close. Loosing 4 LEC reps so it would have been 13-8 that looks a little better

acl65pilot 11-07-2009 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by bohicagain (Post 707949)
National Voted on 10/28 a unanimous vote for Compass to have their own MEC.

Don't understand why the MEC voted now. If they would have waited until until all the 747-2 were parked the vote would have not have been close. Loosing 4 LEC reps so it would have been 13-8 that looks a little better

There was more to that vote that meet the eye, or so I have been told.

Well National has voted, and it is what it is. Instead of looking in the rear mirror at what should have been done, lets look at how we can strengthen the bond with the new CPS MEC. I urge pilot at CPS that want a strong bond with DALPA to work very hard to get voted in. I know that we are talking Oct 2010, but if you do not like what you think may happen, get involved and run so you can represent your pilots best interests. If you allow four or five guys that you all seem to talk about, rule the roost you are going to be very upset at the results. You future and how you deal with it, is now in your hands.

I did not like the decision, but it is what it is, and it is not one that will be changed. Simply put, National made the decision, and now you must work for an effective MEC that will will represent your interests with vigor. Most of the CPS guys I talk to want to keep a close relationship with DALPA. Do not let people change that.
If you look at this decision and let it paralyze you, you will be ineffective. Look at it and see what good can come from it. You now will have a MEC that can work for your bests interests towards inclusion.

Like I said, this is a bump in the road, and we all can deal with it effectively.

iceman49 11-07-2009 05:48 AM

Maybe someone should have asked the Compass pilots what they wanted to do.

acl65pilot 11-07-2009 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 707957)
Maybe someone should have asked the Compass pilots what they wanted to do.

I totally agree with that statement. It appears they did not do that.


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