DAL @ ATL? Story end?
 

So after the highly televised lynch on NWA flight crews that messed around with their laptops allegedly, I am left wondering what has the FAA and the NTSB ever did with the Delta crew that came from Rio and mistook the green lights for white lights?

Last time I checked, taxiway lights are blue!

Rest assured, they'll get theirs...the FAA has at least six months in which to take enforcement action.

Four letters: ASAP

They may get a little remedial training if the company decides, but that will probably be the extend of it.

Just wait for the final results on this investigation.

Remember when GB landed on the taxiway in ATL about 6 years ago? He got 2 weeks off, and his pay reflected it. No other action taken.

Plus, lesson learned, don't say shiite to the media. Call the union and hunker down. Both incidents are not what they seemed. How they were handled is a whole 'nother story. The press is clueless. If you feed them, they will eat you.

This is a very important point. Most do not even know their names.

Yep, and as with this one there was some extenuating circumstances. Just wait for the facts to come out. They will, but let the pros do what they do.

I know full well from my other "occupation." The "fifth estate" no longer cares about the who, what, why, where and when....they only care about selling newspapers and selling commercial time. We, as an industry, need to fully embrace that. If we don't, we die. Sully has done a great job playing the middle. But there is no objectivity in news organizations these days...only the TMZ, CNN, tabloid approach to the effort. I'm sure Sully would agree. With a flying public so ignorant as to what it takes to fly, the hair on our collective necks should be standing on end. If you don't want to see your family abused, your career ended, and your name vilified, don't go there.

Add the cops to that list. My understanding is it was the MSP cops and FBI that released those guys names in the first place.

Ferd <----ex cop so don't shoot the poster

These are 2 lucky dudes, they land on a taxiway and due to the following day's events, they became forgotten. They better pitch in for their fallen NWA brothers' thanksgiving turkeys....and then some!

I have a friend from my previous carrier that had an emergency a few weeks ago (the usual zero flap landing).

Airport cop was waiting for them in the jet bridge...started quizzing him and stuff.

He simply told him, "you can read my name off my badge and get the report from the Feds after I submit it through the proper means...that's all you need to know."

That's how we all need to handle it.

The NW 188 guys blew it in that regard...

I have absolutely nothing against cops....That said, what does this guy (the cop) think he's going to get out of questioning a Pilot about an emergency? I mean seriously......

I had the same happen in DTW after an occurence of the same nature, and another...and another, haha.

Reportedly, the DL guys in the "Mike" incident had a similar experience.

Nothing says "you need to talk to me" like an airport cop....

Last time I checked, the centerline taxiway lights are green. The edge lights are blue. Hope this helps! :)

For those who missed it:

YouTube - Don't Talk to Cops, Part 1


As suggested, this holds doubly true for the media!

Exactly, the only legal requirement is that you identify yourself. Anything offered beyond that can only bring potential harm.

Most of the time they are just filling out an incident report to account for the emergency response. They keep statistics on calls and response actions, how long it took, how often they are called, etc ... .

Not the centerline lights; the man is talking about centerline lights.

I don’t think ASAP applies to this incident. And again, we will have to wait till the investigation is concluded.

They are not lucky; they are smart with some common sense. Unlike the NWA pilots that talked to everyone including the media about the incident. If you ever land on a taxiway, please call your union before you talk to anyone.

The green centerline lights are part of the low vis taxi routes (10-9F&G).

I don't think they're on if it's VFR

No. Let's lynch them here.:rolleyes:

Yes, they're on if it's VFR. Unless you're in SLC, though. They're the only airport I know of in the country that don't use the centerline lights at night. I asked them "why" one time and they told me they're "saving electricity."

The green lights in ATL during VFR night conditions are typically at least as bright as the runway or brighter.

Taxiway "M" in ATL I don't believe has green taxiway centerline lights. Those lights lead off from Runway 09R/27L, cross 09L/27R and Taxiway "M" , about 2000ft from the end of "M", and then proceed down Taxiway "L" .

Oh..it does have them. They can get pretty obnoxious. Not as bad as MEM but pretty dang bad.

You're probably right, I was just glancing real quick at my 10-9D, but that only shows the lights that are on for low vis less than RVR 600. They might have had them on at that time in the morning. Don't know for sure. I'm sure the investigation will have all the details.

Are they omni-directional or only lit in the direction that aircraft are taxiing out?

I beleive that they are those LED's that will blind anyone.

You folks can argue about the color of taxiway lights, and when they are illuminated, until you are blue (or green) in the face.

The important point to remember here is......

1. Make no statements
2. Contact ALPA
3. Make no statements

Excellent advice.