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fosters 06-28-2006 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by ryane946
I believe lithium-ion batteries have the potential to power cars (without the drawbacks of limited range/power). They are still falling in price. Cars could then be plugged in at night when the power grid is underused. Electricity is the cheapest known way to power an automobile.

I have followed this very closely. Currently there is a company with an aftermarket kit for the prius, toyota's 4-place hybrid, that uses lithium batteries and goes about 35 miles before needing a charge. At night, when the strain on the electrical grid is the lowest, it charges to full in approximately 9 hours using $1 in electricity*. It adveraged 150 MPG traveling at speeds <55 MPH and 100 MPG traveling at speeds 65 MPH or higher. This is of course, assuming one doesn't drive beyond its 35 mile range in a day. Some will, most will not. The average commute is something like 13 miles each way.

While the kit voids the warranty, toyota stated that they have plans to launch their version in approximately 3 years. I have an older car (11 years old, thankfully still running) and plan to purchase this car once it comes out.

I could even invision a plug-in hybrid powered by a diesel engine, burning biodiesel. I believe that might be able to completely wean the US comsumer off of oil, and leave the US's domestically produced 12 million bbl/day enough to cover our other uses (truck/boat/aircraft uses).

A problem I can see however is that more and more people will be purchasing "trucks" and registering them as such. If gas prices fall to say $2/gallon after the introduction of these plug-in hybrids everyone and their brother would start buying trucks again. You'd have to come up with a way to limit petrol based products to those industries that compeletly depend on it.

I also agree with your cost per gallon assumptions. $3/gal hardly put a dent in demand. $5/gal might start having a major effect, however it probably won't be a large problem to the economy until it hits around $6, $7, possibly $10/gallon. If it happens it relatively short order it will be a bigger problem than if it were spread out over say, 3-4 years.

Brav989 06-28-2006 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Slice
Whatever dude.:rolleyes:

Well I only speak the truth. I do not ignore facts.

Slice 06-28-2006 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Brav989
Well I only speak the truth. I do not ignore facts.

Junk science at its' finest...you believe Al Gore invented the internet too?

Brav989 06-28-2006 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Slice
Junk science at its' finest...you believe Al Gore invented the internet too?

When scientific evidence points to the earth getting warmer and warmer you don't believe there is something called global warming? You believe all the emissions from vehicles are good for the earth?

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwa...ent/index.html

HalinTexas 06-29-2006 05:19 PM

In all of the things I've read about global warming, I have not seen one that addresses solar output. It hasn't said that it's increasing or decreasing. Nothing about flare activity or sun spot. Why?

I can't believe that the sun's output has remained steady since local celestial gases came together to form our solar system.

Is there evidence that someone can direct me to that reveals solar radiation amounts over time?

reddog25 06-30-2006 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas
Is there evidence that someone can direct me to that reveals solar radiation amounts over time?

:eek: Actually you are correct. The mini-iceage mid 1600s to 1800 caused a 3-4 degree cool down of our planet. Scientist say that sun's energy output actually decresed during that time period causing the cool down, so with a nod to Gore, maybe the warming up is also due to a cyclical increased output. Duno 4 sure as I am a History major with a minor in Beer....:cool:


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