Congress letting a major carriers's pilots strike ?

LOL !!!!!

That'll be the day.

Big business owns congress, the courts and the NMB, lock, stock and cufflinks.

Perhaps they'll call Ghost Busters ?

Otto,

We have been in over 3 years, and no "getting released" in sight. The NMB that was supposed to change with the "labor friendly" administration, is still business as usual.

Good Luck to you all!

AA

I'll make a bet with you. There are two other unions of signficance on your property. TWU will be the one allowed to strike if your management isn't reasonable. APFA got their strike in '93, but had intervention 5 days later, and you guys got a PEB in '97 after about 23 minutes.

Your union (APA) hasn't been very "labor friendly" (read independent). There are advantages and disadvantages to that.;) I'm sure Lloyd's reception at the NMB (Harry Hoglander was TWA's ALPA MEC Chairman at one point, and Linda Puchala was AFA's president) was professional and matter of fact.

Last a heard, we are presenting the proposal to the company Dec 4th, is still a good date??? I hope so being that it's tomorrow.

The MEC has been doing some "hob-knobing" with the NMB over the last several months. It will be a true test to see how "labor friendly" the board actually is after "Jay & company" lunch time elbow rubbing meetings.

Like every pilot at CAL, I am anxious to see how the process kicks off

And the Scabs and Scab Spawn get their running shoes on!

I'm tired of people who don't know better & who don't work for this airline. Who cares what happened 27 years ago at CAL. The people fighting for this contract are not the same people back then. A huge percentage of the pilots at CAL are the ones who fought for and got the contracts at Express that many new Express pilots brag about. I'd even bet the few scabs left have even learned their lesson. I have no doubt in the CAL pilots willingness to strike for a contract, if we ever got released.

18 months? I'd say much longer. Also, what party was in the White House when the PEB was issued against AMR pilots? You can't rely on anyone for this.

10.2 percent unemployment and the expectation is that it will take years to reduce that number.

Any 'release' (Should it even get to that point) will more than likely have a duration equal to or shorter than AMR's was in the 90's.

In the past during informational picketing ('95 & '97 efforts), I have had dialogs with customers on this subject. They were very supportive. When pressed or given the reason for the informational picketing and an opportunity, they often spoke in favor of organized labor and spoke out against strike breakers. However; to just hear a customer say, "I don't want to ride on a plane flown by a scab today"? Nope, never heard anything like that.

Make no mistake about it, CAL EWR's union leadership has been elected loud and clear by a majority of the pilots who voted. If he is telling us to be prepared for the possibility of a strike, I will do everything I can to prepare myself and my family financially, mentally and spiritually for that possibility. There is no need to imply that this would happen outside of the confines of the RLA, nor to insinuate that a majority of pilots wouldn't follow Dubinsky to the picket line if he were to get NMB to release us.

There are plenty of hot button issues right now, from the condition of the men's room, to the potential of capacity purchase agreements language change proposals that would bring 100+ seat jets taxiing right through the middle of the current pilot scope clause. If something like that got passed you might see a whole lot more people let go than the current 140. Wouldn't most people see that as a strike issue?

Most company's will be presenting that current business plans are not viable in the current economic environment. That presents a semi-valid point with most "thinking" pilots to consider major scope language changes. In the attempt to shore up cash flow and keep the airline afloat, pilots might listen. Obviously the EWRLEC has gainful insight as to why we need to see beyond this proposal period and is taking steps to prepare the pilot group ahead of time.

Bravo.

Sorry Otto, I'm not flaming you.

But not to long ago when the hiring was going, at CAL in particular, some had the sentiment that they DIDN'T want to go to CAL because of the SCABS and the overall culture.

When you got hired, I remember reading YOUR posts in particular saying the the scabs really weren't that bad and that everybody at CAL was decent to fly to with.

As of late, since you've been displaced out of the CA's seat after being able to go legacy FO to CA rather quickly (relatively speaking), I've read more than one post where you are anti scab and expressed that they have been a slight detriment to your career overall.

Would it be safe to say the honeymoon going from COEX/Expressjet to CAL is over?

Like I said, I'm not flaming you, just pointing out FACTS.

And YES, I'll NEVER argue that the worst day at a major beats the best day at a regional, that's not the point, just sayin'....