[quote=80ktsClamp;762519]And here we go...

There are a lot of guys that got through the less stringent screening that would never be able to pass the higher level of selection at a legacy. It generally catches up with them through violations that pin them at their outsourced company, anyways.

The most extensive regional interview is easier than the easiest legacy interview (I dont know about the nationals).

The laptop and taxiway guys' issue has been extensively hashed out... no need to revisit it.
Really?

jetBlue is a legacy and they only have personal talks during interview, no testing what so ever.........
I heard from many going to AirTran and Delta from Skywest that the interview was a joke comparing to what they expected.

Last time I jumpseated on Delta the FO had flown for Colgan before and was never a PIC at Colgan. That pilot went from CFI to Colgan and then to Delta in two years. Pretty amazing eh?

I also know of one guy getting hire by NW airlines at 700 hours in 2007.

When it comes to issues happening at the legacys then it is always "the issue has been extensively hashed out" but insulting Regional pilots that fly RJs, ERJ etc is never ending........

give it up,
The pilots at the legacys are no super pilots at all, believe me.

there are terrible and good pilots at all levels and to insult a whole group is wrong.

I have Jumpseated hundreds of times with legacys and seen some terrible examples there too

The legacy outsources all flying as they do not want to pay more people the salaries they are paying their pilots.

Only legacy management controls the Regional and the entire 121 industry. To blaim Regional pilots for that is wrong.

I agree with this, and am going to take it a step further...

Regional carriers subsidize the high payscales of mainline partners. In order to recapture RJ flying the mainline carriers would have to take a huge paycut.

Good read on the topic:
Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - US Pilot Unions? Dirty LittleSecrets

I thought mainline already took a huge paycut.

In order for mainline to recapture outsourced flying, RJ pilots must start demanding better pay and contracts so their flying becomes too expensive and it's better for mainline to do it in house. This benefits regional pilots by rasing their current rates and eventually opening up more mainline jobs.

Unfortunately it means a pilot group must be willing to take a contract negotiation to a strike and possibly shutdown their regional airline.

True, and it has swung both directions with the varying supply/demand cycles that have occurred.

In general, yes, but you can't make that general blanket statement. Pre 9/11, COMAIR's interview process was pretty extensive. I'd even go so far as to say more extensive than two separate legacies that hired up until recently as far as the overall amount of knowledge that was required. Barring all the TMAAT stuff. Just sayin'


Something to keep in mind though, a few years ago the competition at JB was pretty stiff. Lots of qualified guys wanting to get on there. Many of the threads on this board used to be dominated with JB hiring. They also used to have a rather extensive/lengthy 3 phase hiring process where guys waited weeks and sometimes months to see if they'd moved on from one phase to the next. Also, 1000 PIC wasn't jack as far as trying to get a call there goes.

Now, fast forward to the last time they had a hiring cycle. No more lengthy 3 phase process, and lot's of guys getting the nod without 1000 PIC, I personally know 3 of them.

The simple fact is that we want the flying back, and to get it back the reality is we need to accept the economics.

Resetting seniority is a huge part of this for companies. It is and was part of the plan.

I think that airlines would get better candidates if they did start out making regional wages but had a direct line to the 777A seat.

Just sayin.....

The military argument is getting smaller and smaller as they will be producing less pilots.

I see what you're saying, but a case in point that may not really reflect that as a 100% valid statement.

The flow through between COEX and CAL. That flow through in essence had a "direct line" to a mainline/widebody seat. Although it went through various evolutions over time as far as boxes that had to be checked off before moving on to that mainline job.

But saying that that process would get better candidates is not a fail safe. Sure, everybody can rant on that the when you were hired at COEX you were hired by CAL, your paycheck said CAL, etc. And mid 90's when the competition was more extensive, sure the candidate was more qualified. But when the FT was in effect and the market forces/supply demand kicked in pre 9/11, having that FT agreement and a "direct line" to mainline had NO BEARING WHAT SO EVER on the overall qualification of the candidate.

Of course, all this got nixed in the spinoff/IPO, as well as the back dating of FT/Schindler's list/pref interview process.

But it serves as a case in point that what you're saying will not guarantee a better candidate.

Sometimes people have their head in the sand so far it's not even worth it. JoeMerchant twin alert here...



FYI- jetblue isn't a legacy.

I don't think there will be any 100% valid statements on this thread. Too many niches (or larger) that wouldn't fit the mold of any blanket statement.


I think what acl was getting at was having you get hired into a CRJ or SF34 and have that be the end run all the way to 777.

Flow throughs have rarely worked over time... I would much prefer one brand, one list. Get rid of this outsourcing crap.

[QUOTE=CaptainTeezy;762430]Do RJs hurt the major airlines?

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I was hired 23 years ago at the only major without a B-Scale. We are now Delta.

To answer your question; RJs are the new B-Scale. The majors need them because there is no B-Scale. It was said 20 years ago that we would never get rid of the B-scale, but we did. It was replaced with the RJ. What will we do to get rid of the RJ? Oh I know, bring the RJs under our contract at a B-Scale rate....................................it is what it is:cool:

[QUOTE=HermannGraf;762527][
jetBlue is a legacy

Huhhh????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????:p