Sorry Bar, but I never saw that happen...if you were listed for first and there are seats available...you got it. Typically the FAs offer the FC to the jump seaters if its available...doesn't mean they have to.

Bar,

As a long time "lurker", I've read many of your posts, and agreed with a majority of them. This one, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you sir. (Short story made long below)

I used to work for a regional based in the midwest. That regional in 2005 moved their entire operation, other than HQ, to the East Coast. Said regional referenced was Air Wisconsin. Anyway, I commuted on NWA from my N.D. home, and it was more the norm than the exception that I received a first class seat. This due to the generosity of all involved in the airline operation. (i.e. Agents, Flight attendants, and cockpit crew) <Can I even say "cockpit" these days?>:)

So, to enlighten your thoughts of it being a f-NWA policy that does not allow for crewmembers in First Class, as I said above, I will disagree with you on this opinion.

Secondly, according to your previous posts and thoughts of "lost status quo", the constant outsourcing of our jobs to the lowest bidder, (i.e. regionals flying the Delta 100-seater), and furloughs this fall, I've included a website that might be helpful for changing your opinion, or hopefully at least reducing a slight amount of stress in your life.

Finally, it's 30 degrees in N.D. right now. Sun is shining, no wind, and nothing to worry about for at least another month until the Red River reaches it's record breaking 500 year flood levels again, for the second year in a row.:rolleyes: (When you guys bidding the best base in the system? MSP):D

GJ

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According to that, I need to save more. Going to at least 90.

It was official policy. I'll look for it so you can read for yourself. We do a good bit of travel throughout Asia and due to the duration of the flights, it would have been nice, had it been available.

Thanks for respectfully disagreeing.

(looking, will update if I can find the link, many internal documents are blocked from off site searching)

Labor relations 101!
Do not like it force a change.

AMR is the same way, and 95% of the CA's will come out of the cockpit after the door closes, find the JS riders and tell them to move up front.

I will be the first to agree with Bar in that Fnwa almost exclusively in my years that I worked there would NEVER upgrade a non-rev from another airline..Now that being said in the case of J/S'rs that is another story...I will relate a small story..I was traveling as a non-rev employee of NWA from MEM-HNL via SEA..I paid for f/c travel and at fnwa if you flew any segmant in f/c you paid the f/c charge for the ENTIRE trip. I had flw f/c from MEM-SEA and was waiting in gate area and was seated next to an off duty UAL pilot in civilian clothes he had his jumpseat slip in his hand..Well he went away and boarded and I was one of the last ones at the gate and was informed that there were no more f/c left and they gave me a coach seat (middle seat on the DC-10)..Well we boarded using door 2L so you go left for f/c right for coach..After we get to HNL I am getting off and who do I see get out of a f/c seat?..The offline UAL pilot...I was LIVID..I got the j/s er in the jetway..I know it was not his fault but I had to ask him if he indeed was a j/ser...He indicated he was...I informed him that I was active employee of NW and had paid for an f/c seat and did not get it. I said that I hoped he enjoyed the ride up there because I paid for it. Again I told him hey I know it is not your fault but that I just wanted to let him know that an injustice was done in my case..So there you have a case where the j/ser got the better end of the deal...I will bet any problems you have with DL not upgrading I will bet it is a fnwa agent..My 2 cents.

Nonrevs would get left with seats open in first at FNWA due to their system. Jumpseaters however would typically go and take an open seat in first with the permission of the CA and lead FA.

Had a NWA gate agent tell me one time when I was jumpseating "I can't ride in first, so you can't ride in first."

Ah, culture...

Strato & 80,

Again, not to call anyone out, as I "respectfully" disagreed with Bar and his comment to the fact that it was NWA policy.

I agree with the both of you when you tell me that an "offline jumpseat" might've gotten a first class seat before an employee pass riding/non-revving on the same flight, but in my years of working for NWA, now Delta, I have yet to see the "policy" written anywhere stating such.

To reiterate the meaning of my post. I'm not saying anyone posting their experiences are wrong in the fact that they possibly did get the "shaft" without even as much as a "hug" afterwards, I just have yet to see the "policy".

As you all know, from being in this industry as long as you have, what is a hard & fast rule, and what might actually be some "****ed off, disgruntled gate agent's" policy (because they've been chewed out by yet another passenger for the flight delay, weather delay, or ATC delay) can often times clearly be two separate subjects.

Fly safe,

GJ

Just to refresh your memory.... Jumpseaters went as Y9H. Y was a coach only pass under the NWA system. They were split between F and Y class passes... remember? :)

Whatever airline......If you get a seat anywhere on the plane (JS, First, Coach) while on a JS status, you make more than an 'effort' to introduce yourself to the flight deck.....period.

JS 101.

80,

I do in fact remember, and although a jumpseater was listed as a "9H" under the NRSA system, when the agent "released" the seats they could release a seat in "first class" instead of "economy" regardless of how the person was "listed" for the flight.

Again, and I'll sound like a stuck record when repeating myself multiple times, it was completely at the agents discretion as to whether they would release the listing under a "first class vacancy" or maintain the status of the listing for the flight and issue an economy class seat instead. (READ-No specific policy saying that they couldn't, unless of course Bar comes up with something and then I'll have to eat CROW for the previous three posts of mine.) Disclaimer: Never have seen a policy saying they couldn't release a first class seat for someone listed as a 9H.

Has nothing to do with how a person was listed for the flight, but instead what the agent chose to "release for seats" when the rest of the flight had already been boarded. Hence, my receiving a first class seat multiple times when jumpseating on NWA.

GJ