House wants 1500hrs, sends bill back
03-29-2010, 11:23 AM
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IMO, Raising the time requirements is probably a good thing in regard to safety, although flying a banner up and down the beach does not really train you to fly an approach to mins. Also, the idea that pay will go up is a false hope. During the 80's and 90's when hiring minimums were at 2000TT pay was not any better and carriers were having no trouble filling the seats. Awareness needs to be increased and regional aircraft should not have mainline paint unless they are flown by mainline pilots (who have mainline training) and THE LIABILITY IS SHOULDERED BY THE MAINLINE CARRIER. This continued outsourcing is the reason the industry keeps circling the drain.
03-29-2010, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Godzilla
I beg to disagree, the military writes off aircraft in accidents on a regular basis.
I also remember a foriegn aircraft crew who could not tell the difference between a takeoff warning horn and the 10000 foot cabin warning.
Major US airlines display and accident rate substantially lower than these two examples.
Expirience is a good thing and things done before airline flying are often much more outside the box and therefore develop more stick and rudder skills and judgement than the dailing flying by the numbers airline environment can.
I also remember a foriegn aircraft crew who could not tell the difference between a takeoff warning horn and the 10000 foot cabin warning.
Major US airlines display and accident rate substantially lower than these two examples.
Expirience is a good thing and things done before airline flying are often much more outside the box and therefore develop more stick and rudder skills and judgement than the dailing flying by the numbers airline environment can.
When you compare one takeoff to a full stop with an uneventual cruise (no formation, air refueling, combat ops ...etc), I would imagine the military statistics would be very close to the airlines.
03-29-2010, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Well there is a reason that the JAA won't accept a US FAA ATP as valid to transfer into a European ATP certificate.
Have you ever seen the amount of books required to pass a JAA ATP course?
Not sure I'd be at a major airline now if the standards in the US were the same as over there, it would have taken an extra year or two. (Would have probably stayed in the military and flown there instead of getting out).
We need to adopt much more stringent ATP standards, that will be equivalent to JAA standards......
(Though I'll take a grandfather clause, thank you!
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Have you ever seen the amount of books required to pass a JAA ATP course?
Not sure I'd be at a major airline now if the standards in the US were the same as over there, it would have taken an extra year or two. (Would have probably stayed in the military and flown there instead of getting out).
We need to adopt much more stringent ATP standards, that will be equivalent to JAA standards......
(Though I'll take a grandfather clause, thank you!
)There is a reason why several countries will not accept an American FAA ATPL.
03-29-2010, 03:03 PM
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I converted my FAA to JAA after deciding not to take a job at the regionals due to the low pay...studied my ass off but the knowledge you gain from studying these books is amazing, will help build a great career. FAA is a joke, in general!
03-29-2010, 03:45 PM
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Hi!
I studied a lot for the Air Law (one of the 14 CAA subject area tests) and took that test, and then studied about 3 more days on the other 13 subject areas and passed the test covering ALL of the CAA subject areas.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Well there is a reason that the JAA won't accept a US FAA ATP as valid to transfer into a European ATP certificate.
Have you ever seen the amount of books required to pass a JAA ATP course?
Not sure I'd be at a major airline now if the standards in the US were the same as over there, it would have taken an extra year or two. (Would have probably stayed in the military and flown there instead of getting out).
We need to adopt much more stringent ATP standards, that will be equivalent to JAA standards......
(Though I'll take a grandfather clause, thank you!)
Bingo !!! We have a winner.
There is a reason why several countries will not accept an American FAA ATPL.
Well there is a reason that the JAA won't accept a US FAA ATP as valid to transfer into a European ATP certificate.
Have you ever seen the amount of books required to pass a JAA ATP course?
Not sure I'd be at a major airline now if the standards in the US were the same as over there, it would have taken an extra year or two. (Would have probably stayed in the military and flown there instead of getting out).
We need to adopt much more stringent ATP standards, that will be equivalent to JAA standards......
(Though I'll take a grandfather clause, thank you!
)Bingo !!! We have a winner.
There is a reason why several countries will not accept an American FAA ATPL.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
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03-29-2010, 03:50 PM
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Hi!
When will the FAA change the Flight/Duty/Rest requirements....
That IS true, but if Congress is not pleased with FAA progress, they can supersede the FAA and institute ANY changes they see fit, and can apply those changes IMMEDIATELY if they want to.
I think the FAA will be smart, and change the rules, so they have some control over the rules. If they don't, they may get steamrolled by Congress, and end up with a bunch of rules they don't want, and/or are not practical.
cliff
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When will the FAA change the Flight/Duty/Rest requirements....
When hell freezes over or the FAA quits bowing to the whims of the airline managements.
I think the FAA will be smart, and change the rules, so they have some control over the rules. If they don't, they may get steamrolled by Congress, and end up with a bunch of rules they don't want, and/or are not practical.
cliff
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03-29-2010, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pielut
IMO, Raising the time requirements is probably a good thing in regard to safety, although flying a banner up and down the beach does not really train you to fly an approach to mins. Also, the idea that pay will go up is a false hope. During the 80's and 90's when hiring minimums were at 2000TT pay was not any better and carriers were having no trouble filling the seats. Awareness needs to be increased and regional aircraft should not have mainline paint unless they are flown by mainline pilots (who have mainline training) and THE LIABILITY IS SHOULDERED BY THE MAINLINE CARRIER. This continued outsourcing is the reason the industry keeps circling the drain.
03-29-2010, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!
I studied a lot for the Air Law (one of the 14 CAA subject area tests) and took that test, and then studied about 3 more days on the other 13 subject areas and passed the test covering ALL of the CAA subject areas.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
LFW (Lome, Togo)
I studied a lot for the Air Law (one of the 14 CAA subject area tests) and took that test, and then studied about 3 more days on the other 13 subject areas and passed the test covering ALL of the CAA subject areas.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
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We have excellent flight programs right here in the US and there is no need to emulate highly bureaucratic and overly expensive European system.
Many of you are missing the point altogether. No amount of school training can replace actual experience. ATP and 1500 hours is the right way to go. Pilots gain experience after they graduate and start flying in the real world.
03-29-2010, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!
I studied a lot for the Air Law (one of the 14 CAA subject area tests) and took that test, and then studied about 3 more days on the other 13 subject areas and passed the test covering ALL of the CAA subject areas.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
LFW (Lome, Togo)
I studied a lot for the Air Law (one of the 14 CAA subject area tests) and took that test, and then studied about 3 more days on the other 13 subject areas and passed the test covering ALL of the CAA subject areas.
The CAA test is CRAP!
They should either modernize it, so you learn about things that affect us today, like gps/fms navigation, or just give an IQ test to all prospective pilots with a min IQ cutoff.
The American ATP, and American training is VERY good. It IS different than European training, but it is not worse, just different. The FAA training and licensing system is MUCH better than in many other parts of the world.
cliff
LFW (Lome, Togo)
HARD TO BELIEVE .. VERY HARD.
The FAA flying is better, but their ground schools are HORRIBLE.
03-30-2010, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by olympic
You studied 3 days and passed all 14 JAR exams??
HARD TO BELIEVE .. VERY HARD.
The FAA flying is better, but their ground schools are HORRIBLE.
HARD TO BELIEVE .. VERY HARD.
The FAA flying is better, but their ground schools are HORRIBLE.
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