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Old 04-05-2010 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
Now, this isn't necessarily meant for you unless it applies, but, major carrier scope give away began in a much different economic time and have been expanded by 9-11 and BK.

Shame on them for not having the foresight to see where it was heading eventually, and shame on you, or anyone else that would accept a job without promise flying for 20 an hour for any RJ outfit.
Your willingness to do so only makes the mis-steps of those at the legacy carriers evolve into the continuing decline of the profession and continued outsourcing.

Take a look at UA/AERLingus and see that mgmt want the next level towards a virtual airline with the lowest bidder winning the flying.

Don't work for peanuts. The level of responsibility express carriers have dictates equal compensation.
I guess I'm saying, you have to be willing to pursue other avenues in your life other than the airlines. I did because the future is limited currently and going to get worse until enough folks grow a pair and walk away.

I did taking a voluntary furlough from UA.

Will you?

Lee
When mainline throws seed (scope) to the street it is absurd to think you can keep the young sparrows and a starving hawk or two from swarming. No matter the quality of seed, the more you throw away the higher the count of the naïve and desperate will swarm. The only outcome this practice and the thought process of "don't work for peanuts" to correct the problem will lead to is the most inexperienced and naïve at the controls. In addition, no one can expect the “new to the industry” pilots to clean up the mess when they have not yet been schooled in the politics of the airline industry. Most are just young calves walking into the slaughter house. Scope must be taken back or kept, at the very least. I say the mainline needs to step off the high horse and start flying some of the larger “RJ” equipment.
BTW this would no doubt squeeze me out of a job for now which I would be willing to accept for a positive industry overhaul.
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Old 04-07-2010 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by flight0813
When mainline throws seed (scope) to the street it is absurd to think you can keep the young sparrows and a starving hawk or two from swarming. No matter the quality of seed, the more you throw away the higher the count of the naïve and desperate will swarm. The only outcome this practice and the thought process of "don't work for peanuts" to correct the problem will lead to is the most inexperienced and naïve at the controls. In addition, no one can expect the “new to the industry” pilots to clean up the mess when they have not yet been schooled in the politics of the airline industry. Most are just young calves walking into the slaughter house. Scope must be taken back or kept, at the very least. I say the mainline needs to step off the high horse and start flying some of the larger “RJ” equipment.
BTW this would no doubt squeeze me out of a job for now which I would be willing to accept for a positive industry overhaul.
Hopefully some of the congressional actions will yield a relatively more experienced work force in the seat. Time will tell.

Sadly, UA ALPA has been played at every juncture beginning with the first RJ vote in the mid 90's. The sell was "do you want 400's or RJs?". ALPA got the 400 but opened the door to where we are at. Granted 911 precipitated an accelerated timeline, but mngmt wanted everything that they have gotten and are pursuing the rest. AerLingus would be the best example.

Anyone that looks at an RJ job as a step to the majors is grossly mistaken. They may get to heavy metal at some point but working for another company in a JV with the name on the ticket being a Legacy carrier and the minimal paycheck/benefits signed by the lowest bidder.

Today's headlines say UA and AAA are deep in merger talks. Think that will add or subtract from the number of major jobs?

Lee
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