Wow. Big suprise there. :rolleyes:

Don't know why DAL wants a big pow-wow about ending the flow. They can end it anytime they want. All they have to do is remove 68 71-76 seat jets from the fleet.

Well, I think the flow is over with the sale of CPZ and Mesaba. That is how Delta reads it (contractual language) and when they want something to go a certain way, they almost always get it. The timing of the announcement can only mean that flow was most certainly a motivating factor in the sale. Isn't Delta just starting to ramp up hiring? No coincidence here. I think like most management teams, they also view flow-thru ageements as bad for business. You need people competing for your business in order to drive down cost.

Heck, they can get a judge to reverse his previous decision as seen in the Mesa case. People watching the Mesa case pointed out that the outcome would possibly have consequences for other Delta regional lift providers and I think we're seeing that play out right now with the sale of CPZ and Mesaba. Delta is a huge machine right now. They have mass, a strong will, and a lot of cash. They are quickly changing how they do business and stopping them would sort of be like stopping the Blitzkrieg of '39. I get the impression that they're on a mission.

Call me ignorant, I don't work for Delta or Compass so I do not know any details or really have any info but I have one question.

Why would DA need to rid themselves of 68 aircraft with 76 seats due to ending a flow with Compass that does not have anywhere close to 68 planes?

Just curious call me stupid if you want.

The allowable amount of 71-76 seat jets is capped at 153.

The LOA which established the Compass Flow has a clause which states 'if the flow becomes unavailable the number of 71-76 seat jets will be reduced to 85'.

153-68=85, right? I'm not a math dude. :o

I was referring to the fact that we seem to negotiate many items that we already have in our contract. We are constantly amending our contract. You wrote - "Hmmm, There is a contract that addresses the flows. They don't have to do anything. There is no deadline other than a self imposed one."

My point is that there are many things in our contract that meet the "don't have to do anything" definition...yet we "do" something. I think this is one more.

I wouldn't worry about that too much. The DAL buyout of AS should be finalized by that date.

Here we go again. Another "emergency" caused by management and Moak calls an emergency meeting to solve management's problem.
He MUST be stopped before he can trade away any more of our contract.
Call your reps.

Splash-
I understood your point and you are dead-on target.
This is not DALPA's problem. Our contract is clear.
Flow stops = Reduce the RJs to 85.

Disregard..........

Thanks for the warning! I've already called my reps to encourage them to support Moak's efforts to protect the flow thru in light of recent events.

How do you figure this is management's problem? The flow thru was OUR creation, and it is in OUR interests to preserve it. If you think Moak should turn his back on Compass and Mesaba when we are a party to the flow agreements, then say it.

I think I'll call my reps again, and remind them to ignore pilots who believe every negotiation results in concessions.