Originally Posted by RoughLandings (Post 836077)

So I'm just going to the cabin for the weekend to fish and drink a couple hundred beers.

Happy 4th, everyone! Have a great weekend!

Originally Posted by DAL4EVER (Post 836015)

Bring the RJs over the cap to mainline!

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 836011)

One of the reasons I voted no to the BK cram-down contract, was I said no NEWCO (Compass) and I ment it (also the duration of the contract).

I see, and understand, everything Splash says (do you live in FSD?). However, maybe I'm not thinking long range enough because I see this as a cake and eat it too opportunity. We let the flows go away and get a scope bump AND we hire all the Compass and Mesaba guys we can....probably higher than the flow numbers anyway. I understand we give up the flow down, but if the DCIs continue to shrink, it could be moot as we need more and more mainline guys.

I'm sure I'm not seeing the knight moving into position to take my queen (my biggest chess weakness) so please fire away.

Ferd

Originally Posted by CapEnP (Post 836095)

Delta Management Meeting:

Q: How can we get ride of pilot furlough protection and make them think it's in their own best interest?

A: See above quote.

Brilliant! Isn't it?

Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 836108)

Two points:

1) Furlough protection, in general, isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

2) Current furlough protection is in our contract and doesn't appear to be effected by this. Now, I do understand the flow is what protected us against the post merger furlough. But, now that post merger manning has reached a point where we need to hire, I guess I'm missing your point.

Trust me, I'm for what best protects our junior guys and I trust guys like Bucking Bar and ACL to educate me on regional issues. So please, ask me questions vs imply I'm some sort of management stooge.

All the best,
Ferd

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 836121)

Ferd-
You are no management stooge. You are a visionary.
This is truly a "cake and eat it too" opportunity, just like you said.

I'm somewhat stunned that any Delta pilot would come on this board and argue against using our contractual right to reduce the 76 seat RJs. All this talk about the need for strong scope over the last few years and now people are gun shy about enforcing the scope we have? Its mind-boggling.
What the heck did they think scope was all about? Enforcing our contract is going to cause short term heartache for some Compass and Mesaba pilots. That's a given and perhaps regrettable. But it is in the long term best interests of this profession to recapture as much flying as possible back to the mainline pay scales.
I'm sure Splash and anyone else opposed to enforcing Section 1.B.40 are a tiny minority but I'm shocked there is even 1.

Originally Posted by Splash (Post 835936)

There was a big conference call yesterday, and John Prater wasn't helpful.

Originally Posted by The Duke (Post 836021)

As the flow will likely be canceled, I cannot see Delta hiring large numbers of CPZ and Mesaba pilots with the existing pool of applicants out there. If anything, I would expect Delta to move away from hiring pilots in large numbers from these 2 carriers as this would likely disrupt their ability to feed for Delta...the very reason Delta is likely selling these 2 carriers. This was one of the inherent problems in the flow-up in Delta's eyes.
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