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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 841309)
This statement is very, very inaccurate. Obviously you're unaware of how much of the DAL Pilot group feels about further scope relief.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 841311)
I have yet to meet a captain who wants any Compass pilot to flow up. This is a general statement. There are exceptions. I for the most part only fly with fNWA pilots. They look at Compass as a whole as DC-9 replacements and a slap in a face by the company and union. They look at the Compass pilots as replacement workers and want no part of them. It's worse because the union promised somewhere along the line that NEWCO would never be started.
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Disregard........
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The MEC meeting has concluded.
The administration has decided the issue in accordance with past precedent. The previous scope grievance settlement on maximum number of RJs served as a guide. The flow is history. Management didn't like it. The scope clause will be amended to allow the extra 76 seaters. But just this once. In return, Capt Moak has extracted another promise from management that they will accept DALPA's interpretation of that contract section going forward. Oh, and Starbucks gift certificates. We're all getting one. Right from Richard. |
Originally Posted by filejw
(Post 841314)
Must depend on the fleet you are on, most folks I know want any promises made kept.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 841319)
I'm on a junior fleet where guys are way lower on the seniority list than they should be due to DC-9 and Airbus routes being replaced by Compass. I call bull on your statement. You could care less whether a promise to a Compass pilot is kept. I could care less too. I want the Delta PWA followed. That is what is important to me. The flow-up does not affect me one way or the other. The flow-down does. I feel that promises to the Compass group should be kept, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if they are not. Going to Compass to go to Northwest was naive. I wanted to work at NWA, but I never even applied to Compass. It's one of those things that might work out for a lucky few. What's in writing is what matters and the Compass pilots who bothered to read the contract should have known that the flow could be terminated with consequences in the event of a sale. No promises are being broken if the contract is followed. Verbal promises are meaningless.
I honestly don't care about the flow and would prefer it to go, but I more want the PWA to be followed and the line on scope to be held or taken back. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 841319)
I want the Delta PWA followed. That is what is important to me. The flow-up does not affect me one way or the other. The flow-down does. I feel that promises to the Compass group should be kept, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if they are not. Going to Compass to go to Northwest was naive. I wanted to work at NWA, but I never even applied to Compass. It's one of those things that might work out for a lucky few. What's in writing is what matters and the Compass pilots who bothered to read the contract should have known that the flow could be terminated with consequences in the event of a sale. No promises are being broken if the contract is followed. Verbal promises are meaningless.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 841320)
This is spot on from what I've seen as well.
I honestly don't care about the flow and would prefer it to go, but I more want the PWA to be followed and the line on scope to be held or taken back. Terminate with extreme prejudice. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 841319)
I'm on a junior fleet where guys are way lower on the seniority list than they should be due to DC-9 and Airbus routes being replaced by Compass. I call bull on your statement. You could care less whether a promise to a Compass pilot is kept. I could care less too. I want the Delta PWA followed. That is what is important to me. The flow-up does not affect me one way or the other. The flow-down does. I feel that promises to the Compass group should be kept, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if they are not. Going to Compass to go to Northwest was naive. I wanted to work at NWA, but I never even applied to Compass. It's one of those things that might work out for a lucky few. What's in writing is what matters and the Compass pilots who bothered to read the contract should have known that the flow could be terminated with consequences in the event of a sale. No promises are being broken if the contract is followed. Verbal promises are meaningless.
I keep seeing some of the same Compass guys posting this over and over like it'll become a fact if they say it enough, but it's a bunch of BS or they're extremely ignorant. |
Originally Posted by redblueskies
(Post 841331)
I have to agree with this. I was shooting for NWA as much as anyone and never heard that Compass was the only way to NWA. Even if I did hear that I would have never believed it, nor could I believe it by understanding how the flow worked.
I keep seeing some of the same Compass guys posting this over and over like it'll become a fact if they say it enough, but it's a bunch of BS or they're extremely ignorant. When NWA HR calls for an interview and the pilot informs them that they cannot come that week because they wont be back from montreal (CP training) until monday and the hr person states o your with compass o let me call you back and never does or answer e-mails. I think it kinda means they wont interview CP guys Its funny how the flow was so important to the junior guys Dec 08 and most of 09 and know that it might work the other way people dont care it exsist. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 841329)
Whoa. You guys are harsh tonight.
Terminate with extreme prejudice. Those are my feelings on it... I want us to be able to select the best pilots possible. I would prefer us to honor the flow-up for this group of CPZ pilots (it is after all what they were promised and I would like to see us do the right thing), and then cut it. |
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