I think the best strategy if for all pilots to get on p90x....that way when negotiations come around we can truly bring it. Who is going to argue with us when we're ripped out of our minds like Tony Horton? Who's with me?

That and everybody does the Dave Ramsey financial course, it'd show we can "bring it" and that we're not afraid to "eat rice and beans" while we do it!!:D

So negotiations are always based on average. How do you suppose SWA (or any better than average paid carrier) got what they got??? Hmmm.

Yeah, Let me know how that works out once they start the RED/GREEN monkey motion. Goodbye float.

TA passed, get over it, move on.

I have an opinion and I will express it. You like this POS, great, glad your happy. All your name calling and arrogant "move on" talk aside, I challenge you to tell me where I'm wrong. And don't give me any of that "Join the NC next time" crap either, it doesn't flush.

I did my ALPA time, and dealt with all the baseless BS that a pilot group can come up with. I am well aware you could get a million dollar bonus for a pilot group, and somebody is going to complain because they have to carry a suitcase of 20's to their car). I have expressed reasoned dissent on many issues with this TA, now CBA, and have received no intelligent rebuttal. All I hear is "Get over it", "Join the NC", or other sophomoric commentary.

Now that you have me worked up, how about the sales job done by your MEC? I went to the road show, hoping for honest information. What I found was a deliberate sales job, not unbiased information regarding the then TA. Examples available on request.

Rod, you are working yourself up and it isn't healthy. If the great majority of this group thought like you we would be back on the picket line, or God knows where. But 76% is a big number of people that can live with the contract.

But challenging co-workers now doesn't help the cause. We do need to MOVE ON, and think about the next round.

I went to 2 of the road shows, and I don't remember seeing or talking to guys that left confused or with unanswered questions.

Not worth it going all nuts about it. I hope you find your peace man.

Cheers.

A good part of that 74% were scared into a yes vote by the doom and gloom sales job of the MEC and Mr. Luby. The specter of "What if" scared the crap out of people. A lot of the vocal yes guys won't answer simple questions, like why would a top notch attorney with 30 years in labor law, not put a contingency clause into the back to work agreement, defining what happens if the TA fails? FEAR MONGERING.

Next round? That's NINE years from now.

As far as the road shows, I hoped for unbiased, truthful information on the pros / cons of the TA. All I got was SPIN. When I asked about the Green/Red system and how it may cause float black-out dates (not allowed under last cba) or how it will effectively make float at company discretion (not 10% like last cba); all I got was spin on how RED on RED trades will be allowed if a net drop occurs on a higher coverage day (helps the company) than the pickup. **THEY COULD DO THIS BEFORE, swaps were completely at company discretion. Instead of discussion on this, they spent 10 min on some clown that wanted to know if his hostage benefits would continue if he turned 65 while a hostage. Not kidding, it happened.

I was particularly put off by the MEC parading some poor useful idiot from JBLU up there, in uniform, to give us the grass isn't greener speech. After which ARM asked (knowing full well the answer) "Hey Rob, do you guys have a 401K over there?". To which Rob dutifully responded "Yes, they match 5%". The obvious take-away being Gee, I have 8% now, going to 9% in 4 years! Wa-Hoo, we have a better deal then they do!!!!

ARM neglected to mention in front of the group that jblu pilots receive a 5% BONUS in there 401K annually. Poor Rob, trying to recover from this, said yes, but some of our guys reach the 401K contribution limit because of this. Are you kidding??????? SPIN!

So, either ARM didn't know about the bonus, or just wanted to conceal that fact. So the choice is, he is either incompetent or disingenuous - you make the call. Either way, he lost what little respect he had left with me.

He didn't mention the jblu ESOP either... SPIN

Cheers

SWA became the highest paid by default... don't you remember all the Chp 11's after 9/11? or where you working on your private then?

Ok, Jr. I was here at NK, while you were flying the river north departure; and trying to help with contract 2003 - til they went weak.

If we all strive for the middle of the pack, we will ALL end up in the middle of the pack, and that is not a good place to spend your career. Unless your a socialist, then everybody being the middle of the pack is the goal, and socialist utopia.

Enjoy!